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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 21 October 2006 : 17:53:12
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh
ShriMahaprabhuji was the only Acharya from the other previous Aacharya who included Shrimad Bhagwatji as a Praman and also wrote Bhashya on it. Considering to be the most important.
But i wanted to discuss that Is it so that ShriMahaprabhuji only accepted these Chatustay Pramam as the Praman for Pushtimarg Rules and Regulations? Or other Shruti's Smruti's Upanisadhs also r included?? Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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jigershah
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Posted - 21 October 2006 : 19:07:03
jsk
samadhi bhasha of shri bhagvat is praman swroop ( lok maat and para maat is ignored )
the common points between purva and uttar mimansa by jaimini rishi and and vyas are also praman
other puransand upanishads are also included as pramans but are secondary in nature
the text acceptable to all other religious teachers and that can form the base for establishing the doctrines
are four veda bhagvat gita and and brahma sutra
jsk
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 24 October 2006 : 11:17:17
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
According to Shri Vallabhacharya:
Veda, Words of Shri Krshna (Gita),Bramhasutra of Vyas and Bhagwat together constitute a unified system conveying unanimous meaning. These four are complementary to each other and each one removes the doubts arising out of the previous one. E.g. the understanding of Gita and so on can clear any doubt in Veda. Any other means of knowledge which is in agreement with this system is also a pramana and never otherwise.
And thus Shri Vallabhacharyaji proclaimed:
" Ekam Shastram Devkiputra Gitam"
There is one Shastra i.e. the one sung by Shri Krshna
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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unnati
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Posted - 24 October 2006 : 14:23:02
Jai jai shri gokulesh
Bhagwat make man to man of god. Bhagwatji does not say anything which is not contained in Veda, Bhagwat Geeta and Bhrama Sutra. On the contrary what is obsure makes it easier. The authority of the puran is accepted bu thwe Upanishad and Bhagwatji is like a Tilak in relate to Puran. According to Chandogya Upanishad Puran is known as 5th veda. Bhagwat is Shri Krishna himself. Vyasji said that Gayatri is “Seed”, Veda is “Tree” and Bhagwat is “Fruit”. Its recitation of leela is required in kalyug.
For knowledge, first of all, we should turn to the Vedas, in case of any doubt arises in the teachings of the Vedas; we must seek guidance from the Geeta. The doubt with reference to Geeta should be resolved by the Brahma sutras. In case any doubt still remains, then, we must seek guidance from the Bhagavat, which is the last and the highest authority. Authority in addition to the Veda, the Geeta and the Brahma sutras is the characteristic feature of the Suddhadvaita system.
In "Nibandh Granth", Shri Mahaprabhuji has Quoted,
“Veda Shrikrishna Vakyani VyasSutrani Chaiva Hi I
Samadhi Bhasha VyasSya Pramana Chatushtayam II ”
Also at "Shri Sarvottamji", Shri Gusainji gave one name of Shri Mahaprabhuji as "Shri Bhagwat-Gudhartha-Prakashana-Parayana", Here Shri Gusaiji has not used any other shashtra's name Coz the basic text or Mool granth of Pushtimarg is Shri Bhagwat. As the vyakhya on Shri Bhagwat was done by many but the Gupt Falrup of Pushtimarg was not known to all and the Gupt Falrup of pushtimarg was only been known to Shri Mahaprabhuji. As in Shri Bhagwatji "Mukti" is considered as falrup... while in Pushtimarg "Bhakti" is considered as fruit. This shows how inferior is 'Mukti' in front of 'Bhakti'
This is up to my limited knowledge... Please feel free to correct....
Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati Kadakia
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jigershah
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Posted - 24 October 2006 : 18:17:49
jsk
i agree with gopal and unnati to understand veda gita must be read to understand gita bhagvaat ji should be studied and to understand bhagvaat brahma sutra should be studied
bhagvaat ji has three kind of languages lok maat bhasha the general observation para maat bhasha the views of other intellectuals ( rishis) and finally the pushti acceptable samadhi bhasha
this bhasha is equal to word of god ( brahm vakya) and is complete truth
Veda Shrikrishna Vakyani VyasSutrani Chaiva Hi I
Samadhi Bhasha VyasSya Pramana Chatushtayam II ”
the reason the above is used as praman as they are the widely acceptable ancient scriptures
on which others have based there religuons and beliefs
and thus provides a common platform towards maya vaad khandan
shree prabhu did maya vaad khandan at three places vijay nagar jagannath puri and kashi
jsk jiger shah
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unnati
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Posted - 25 October 2006 : 09:09:36
Jai jai shri gokulesh
Jigerbhai, Shri Mahaprabhuji did maya vaad khandan at Jagannath puri is not true as it was done at "Orcha" near Madhya Pradesh.
Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati Kadakia
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jigershah
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Posted - 25 October 2006 : 09:58:37
jsk
i was refering to the slokes written by shri lord jagannath eako devo ...............taasya seva
in favour of shri vallabh prabhu declaring the seva of thakurji as best above the doctrin of shankar
i might be wrong though please correct
jsk
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 25 October 2006 : 11:56:52
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh
Jigarbhai in ur previous post u had quoted the right sloka of
Veda Shrikrishna Vakyani VyasSutrani Chaiva Hi I
Samadhi Bhasha VyasSya Pramana Chatushtayam II ”
This is the sloka requires to be discussed.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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jigershah
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Posted - 26 October 2006 : 10:13:06
jsk
bhagvaat ji has three kind of languages lok maat bhasha the general observation para maat bhasha the views of other intellectuals ( rishis) and finally the pushti acceptable samadhi bhasha
this bhasha is equal to word of god ( brahm vakya) and is complete truth samadhi bhasha of vyas ji is supposed to be recieved in divine trance thus it is bhagvat vakya
now for the supporting text of pushti marg shri vallabh prabhu has complied mimansa bhashya
rishi vyas wrote uttar mimansa abd jaimini rishi created purva mimansa shree prabhu selected common
text of both momansa and is also an acceptable praman
shandilya rishi created bhakti sutras and entire bhakti sutras are adopted in pushti marg ( read 84 vaishnav varta one of the vaishnavs was incarnation of shandilya rishi and shree vallabh prabhu refreshed the memory of the vaishnav and asserted that my pushti marg is based on your sutras )
taitirya upnishad is base for sat chit anand explaination here anand or happiness is measured
and thus asserting ( ganitanandkam bruhut krishna eva gatirmama) even the happiness of akshr brahma is accounted for so krishna be my shelter akshar brahma is place of mukti
at every step upanishad and purans are used to support the doctrin of shuddha advait brahma vaad but are secondary in nature
the above 4 pramans accepted as base by all the other sect as well......... as they are all word of god or brahm vakya
jsk jiger shah
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vaibhav_shah
Pushtikul Elite Member - December 2003
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Posted - 30 November 2006 : 18:45:48
jay jay shree gokulesh
before shree mahaprabhuji only three things were considered as praman but mahaprabhuji enforced the forth praman that is shreemad bhagvat.
when shree mahaprabhuji went to the dharmasabha of vijaynagar than this prasng happened.
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kaveeru
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Posted - 02 December 2006 : 00:19:11
Jai Shree Krishna,
I wanted to know, how many Granthas are there which are wrote by Shri Mahaprabhuji.. Can anybody provide the list of Granthas...
I know some of them but don't know exactly what are all...?
Thanks
Kavita
Edited by - kaveeru on 02 December 2006 00:19:43
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