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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


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Posted - 05 December 2004 :  11:45:02
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

To listen Bhagwatji requires three qualities 1. To have the knowledge of the Bhagwat Taatparya (meaning) 2. To be listened from the mouth of Bhakta (devottee only) 3. There should be Vairagya in the heart of listener and the reciter.

Taking the prasang of Padmanabhdasji, He was a Kanojiya Brahmin and according to the shastras he has a right to sit on teh Vyaspith and recite the stories for the listeners. Padmanabhdasji was one of those kathakaars who used to earn livelihood by doing Bhagwat Saptaahs.

Shri Padmanabhdasji used to occupy the seat of Vyasji first and perform katha from his place. He used to sit on a higher seat and never needed to visit anybody's place. Once, Shri Acharyaji came to Kanoj and Padmanabhdasji came for his darshan and heard a Bhagwat katha episode from him. He recognised Shri Acharyaji as Purushottam and came to his refuge. He got name and then did samarpan. Then after Utthapan Shri Achryaji opened his pothi (a bag where religious books are kept). He had stayed in the house of Shri Damodardas Sambhalwala. Padmanabhdas came here from his residence. He then got seated after bowing down to Shri Acharyaji. Then Shri Acharyaji recited the shloka of Nibandh:

Pathaniya Prayatnen....Krushnamapnuyaah || Soon after hearing this Shri Padmanabhdas got up and filled his hands with water and took a vow that he will never earn money by preaching katha. At that time Shri Acharyaji told that Bhagwat should not be recited with intentions of earning money. But it is your occupation. So you may recite Mahabharat etc. But Padmanabhdasji told that once vow taken is taken. Now he will not recite anything. Shri Acharyaji asked that you are a responsible man with family. How will you maintain yourself? To this, Padmanabhdasji replied that he will not earn money by reciting Bhagwat. Instead, he will go and ask for alms to Jajmaan and earn his livelihood. Then he went to Jajmaan for some alms. The Jajmaan respected him. At that time, Shri Padmanabhdasji felt guilty that earlier he was just a Brahmin with Janoi (sacred thread) so this practice of asking alms suited him. But now he is a vaishnav with a kanthi-Tulsimala. It does not suit him anymore. So he decided not to ask for alms anymore. To this, Shri Acharyaji again asked him as to how is he going to maintain himself? To this, he replied that he would earn by doing some business. Then he started selling kodis and woods but never thought otherwise and performed seva till the end.

Bodh::::::Realization of Shri Mahaprabhuji's swaroop. Faith on the sect. Readiness to tolerate any odds to suit the norms of the principles of Shri Mahaprabhuji.

ShriMahaprabhuji here explains the importance of ShriBhagwatji that is the namatmak swaroop of ShriThakurji, how can a livelihood can be earned in the names of Shrithakurji??????????? ShriMahaprabhuji is "Vastutaha Krishna Eva" saakshaat shrikrishna swaroop. So aapshri knew for the future that what can happen in the future. Aapshri knew that tomorrow the followers will surely fell in the religion for to earn livelihood. So aapshri created this prasang making padmanabhdasji the nimit matra.

Padmanabhdasji was the nirguja daivijeev, so he just got the switch pressed by ShriMahaprabhuji and he enlightened himself in the pure Non-Dualism Bhaktimarg with the wholesome aagyna of ShriMahaprabhuji. Today we do read the charitras of 84-vaishnavas also 252 and 78 bhagwadiya's charitra, we just read, and don't follow it. Many Bhagwat saptaahs organised today but don't find any jeevs get uddhar from this worldly matters as every saptaahs is a professional based. Present saptaahs are organised and only 2 persons r benefitted, 1.) The person or a group or a institution who is organising ( by financially, benefitted by the name, fame) and 2.) The person who would sit on the Vyas pith to recite Bhagwatji (getting finance ).

ShriMahaprabhuji had never denied for listening or reciting any of the prasangs of Bhagwatji, but with one big restrictions that is it should not be for the sake of earning and any laukik purpose.

ShriMahaprabhuji had created Nibandh Granth in 3 parts to explain aapshri's own explained shastras (siddhant). 1. Shastrarth Prakaran Nibandh, 2. Sarva nirnay prajaran Nibandh, & 3. Bhagwarth Prakaran.

From these 3-granths Sarvanirnay Granth enriches the importance of Bhagwatji, before starting the Bhagwarth Prakaran. Aapshri expains the Vilakshanta (speciality) for Ved and Bhagwatji . The Desh, Kaal, Dravya, Karta, Mantra and Karma all these r 6 elements has to be pure to acheive the phal (fruit). and Ved-smruti-Purans, are dependent on these 6 elements. 'Kali' is the kaal of non-religion (adharma) and never these 6 elements are found together at present.

But Bhagwatji has no bound to these elements as "Harihi Sarvatra Sarvada" and "Strotavya" explains that Bhagwatji can be listened in all the Kaals and all Desh. It is the nitya at any kaal, and the Daivi-Aasur, manushyas any are the Aadhikari. And this is the easy. Also the Saatvik Puran is the part of Bhagwatji. So is the reason why there are explained the importance of Bhagwatji in the other purans, But Bhagwatji has not included nay of the Importance of Other Purans. The ripen fruit of Ved is ShriBhagwatji, which clarifies the doubts raised in Veds.

Now looking back more to SarvaNirnay Prakaran Nibandh, ShriMahaprabhuji gives aagyna "Yatha-Yatha harihi krishno manasyavishate nije| Tatha-tatha sadhaneshu parinistha vivardhate ||240||"

In this marg, by the word "Yatha-yatha" shows explaination of poona, as by listening the kirtans of ShriBhagwan, creates attraction, love in the bearts of the jeevs for Bhagwan. Similarly increases the Shradha in seva. So to say that gets aasakti in Bhagwaan. So Sarvada in all kaal the prime importance is the seva for routine life.

Now , today even daily doing Shravan-Kirtanaadi also brings no bhaav for Bhagwan, just becomes a karma, no bhakti. One reason that shravan-kirtan is not done faithfully. Then to remove these obstacles of Shravan-Kirtan, by "Krishne Sarvatmane" top keep always deenta, and keep the bhagwatbhaav at all places. And even if someone does apmaan, should not get angry, and Most important that do not keep any expectations from ShriGurudev and ShriThakurji.

To attain this beauty can be done, always do chant the name of shribhagwan and also the Leela-Gunaanuvaads of ShriPrabhu should be done without shame. Means at all places chanting the fame and faith of shrithakurji will enhance the jeev to attain the siddhi.

Also always doing the kirtan of "ShriBhagwatji" will attain the best fruit. For attaining the fruit, requires to leave back all the kapat (theftness), and also the kaamna (expectations), and with respectly to do the paath of ShriBhagwatji.

here shrimahaprabhuji is not giving the aagyna to do bhagwat saptaahs
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Showing the mahamatya of Bhagwan, all importance, and enhances how to elaborate love in Bhagwan, is explained The Bhagwat Mahapuran. Now in this world, love is not inspired inthe hearts of the Bhakts (Listeners), So shrimahaprabhuji shows three elements for bhakts to listen bhagwatji. 1. To have the knowledge of the Bhagwat Taatparya (meaning) 2. To be listened from the mouth of Bhakta (devottee only) 3. There should be Vairagya in the heart of listener and the reciter.

And also for attaining the peak of Bhagwatji, again main important is required the "Aadhikaar". And the katha should not be purposely done for any such professional aspects.

Shrimahaprabhuji explains the importance of Bhagwatji, in the vaarta prasang of Padmanabhdasji and also in the Sarvanirnay PRakaran Nibandh Granth.

Edited by - gopal on December 07 2004 09:46:52

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

vinod
Senior Member


201 Posts
Posted - 05 December 2004 :  18:09:33
Dear Gopalbhai Jai Shree Krishna, To listen to Bhagwatji, the three elements mentioned in your posting is vital. Just to add few more lines on the topic and I personally like the following anecdote very much : Shukdevji told Parikshit: "Once you start the Katha, even if you keep it going for 360 days, the curse of the Rishi will be rendered useless, and I will not die, because the power of the Katha will keep me alive! If you stop the Katha after 4 days, then also the curse of the Rishi will be proven false because I will die as soon as the 'Katha' stops, and not after a week as he had predicted. But I want the Rishi's word to be proven correct". This is the power of the 'Katha'! I believe that once you surrender totally to a Sadguru, you need no further means to achieve the Lord. He will pick up the Giriraj (mountain) for you. During the deluge Sri Krishna held the Giriraj on His little finger to protect His beloved cowherds. Yet the Gopalas (cowherds) held a stick under the mountain Giriraj to try and help the Lord--when actually the whole burden was being carried only by Krishna's little finger! We do the same! We hold the stick under the mountain. We think that we are performing this or that act, when in effect the whole work is being accomplished by the Lord!

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manish1
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239 Posts
Posted - 06 December 2004 :  04:26:54
Jai Shree Krishna, Very nice article and good references Gopal Bhai. Thank you.

Manish 
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 06 December 2004 :  09:46:16
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh, That is true vinodbhai, the power of bhagwat katha is too strong. But here shrimahaprabhuji had not denied to listen the katha or do it raspan, but should not be for the professional aspect. Moreover shrimahaprabhuji had shown 3 elements for the jeev to listen katha.

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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vinod
Senior Member


201 Posts
Posted - 06 December 2004 :  14:21:10
Jai Shree Krishna, Gopalbhai You are very much correct in the matter of the 3 elements, only than the Bhagwat Katha can be so powerful?

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vinod
Senior Member


201 Posts
Posted - 06 December 2004 :  16:56:50
Jai Shree Krishna "Sukhdeva is most blisful, and bows at Shree Vallabh's feet saying, "Now Shree Krishna as Shree Vitthalnathji will look at my Bhagvata" "The blessed ones who sing of Shree Vitthalnathji's Avatar in the Shree Raga will experience the Sarsavat Lila. The eternal play of Shree Krishna"

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DATTUBHAI
Pushtikul Elite Member - April 2004


170 Posts
Posted - 07 December 2004 :  00:24:46
Jay Shri Krishna,Vinodbhai. For my personal interest I request you to give the name of Book from which you got above both quotes.

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 07 December 2004 :  09:49:29
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh, Dattubhai, for my postings, u can refer the pustak "SARVANIRNAY prakaran Nibandh " published by ShriVallabhacharya Trust, Mandvi, Kutch.

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 09 December 2004 :  10:10:20
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh, Even the readings from ShrimadBhagwat Mahapuran's Bhagwat Mahamatya entailing the storeis of Samvaad between Bhakti and Naradji, i will soon eloborate.

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 10 December 2004 :  09:39:26
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Bhagwat Mahamatya detained
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Viprairbhagwati Vaarta Gehe Gehe Jane Jane || Karita kanlobhen katha saarsto gataha ||71||"

This kaarika is from the Bhagwat mahamatya. Where naradji explains to bhakti why adharmi's r too hard on this kaliyug. Meaning of this kaarika is "brahmins for earning livelihood through money had started doing bhagwat sambandhi vaartas to which the fruit of katha had been demolished " This explains the importance of bhagwatji that should not be done for earnings, which is happening today. And even shrimahaprabhuji had said too. But we had 2 ears,, 1 to listen and other to forget it. Courtsey ::-- taken from "Bhagwat Mahapuran - part 1, page 27, published by Vaishnav Mitra Mandal Sarvajanik Nyas-Indore

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 20 December 2004 :  10:03:45
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh, A snippet from the Padma Puran:

NAROTTAM---THE BRAHMIN

Describing about the importance of five virtuous deeds, Pulastya said to Bheeshma---"The five supreme virtuous deeds are--obedience to parents, faithfulness towards husband, equanimity, not having enmity towards friends and devotion towards Lord Vishnu. By pleasing his father, one pleases all the deities. Mother is superior even to all the places of pilgrimage combined together. Pulastya then narrated the same tale to Bheeshma, which lord Brahma had once told some prominent sages --- Once, there lived a famous Brahmin called Narottam. He had acquired divine powers on account of his austere penance but unfortunately he never treated his parents with respect.After taking his daily bath, Narottam hanged his wet clothes in the open sky without any support and they used to dry without falling down on the earth. This special power had made him very arrogant.One day, a crane flying in the sky passed dung on his face, which made him very furious. Narottam cursed the crane as the result of which it was burnt to death. His special power vanished due to the sin acquired by killing an innocent bird. Now, no longer his clothes remained in suspended position in the sky. Narottam became very sad. Suddenly he heard a heavenly voice instructing him to see a 'chandala' named Mook. "His discourses would be beneficial for you."- Said the heavenly voice. Narottam went in search of Mook--the chandal and found him in the servitude of his parents. Mook was a great devotee of his parents and his total devotion towards his parents had blessed him with an extraordinary power-his house used to hang in the air without any support.Narottam was deeply amazed at this wonderful sight. He wanted to know how Mook had acquired such divine powers. But, Mook requested him to wait, which made Narottam very angry. Mook then told Narottam---"I can talk to you only after attending to my parents. I am not that crane which was charred to death by your curse. If you don't have time then go and meet that 'faithful-wife. She will answer your questions." Narottam did not know where that faithful wife lived, so he stood there wondering what to do next. Suddenly Lord Vishnu emerged from Mook's house disguised as a brahmin. He took Narottam to the 'faithful-wife's house. All along the way Lord Vishnu preached Narottam on the qualities of a chaste woman. As both of them were about to reach that chaste woman's house, lord Vishnu disappeared, leaving Narottam all alone. Narottam requested the woman to enlighten him on the finer points of virtuosity. But, the woman was busy attending her husband and requested him to wait. Narottam threatened to curse her, to which the woman replied---I am not that crane whom you had cursed. If you are in a hurry then you can go and meet 'Dharm--Tulaadhar'. He is an honest businessman and is capable of answering your queries." Lord Vishnu once again appeared from that woman's house disguised as a brahmin. Narottam asked him as to how were both Mook and faithful-wife aware of the incident in which the crane was charred to death. Lord Vishnu told him that both of them had acquired this special power by the virtue of their respective religiousness. Lord Vishnu and Narottam proceeded towards the place where Dharmtuladhar did his business transactions. As they were about to reach the place, Lord Vishnu disappeared once again, leaving Narottam all alone.Narottam saw Dharmtuladhar busy in his dealings with total honesty. He requested him to reveal as to what made the wet clothes to hang in the air without any support. Dharmtuladhar requested him to wait but Narottam was in a hurry to get answer to his questions. Dharmtuladhar told Narottam--Please wait for sometime, as I am busy doing my business transactions. If you don't have time then you can go and meet Adrohak, who is fully capable of giving answer to your questions. Lord Vishnu once again accompanied him disguised as a brahmin. When both of them were about to reach the place where Adrohak used to live, lord Vishnu disappeared and Narottam was left all by himself, once again. Narottam requested Adrohak to preach on the essence of religiousness. Adrohak was a man of impeccable conduct and had full control over the sensual urges. He advised Narottam to meet the supreme devotee of Lord Vishnu, who lived nearby. Adrohak said-- You would get answers to all your questions. He will reveal to you the reason that made wet clothes to hang in air without any support.Narottam then proceeded towards the place where the supreme devotee of Lord Vishnu lived. Lord Vishnu once again accompanied him in the guise of a brahmin.After reaching there, Narottam expressed his desire of seeing Lord Vishnu. The supreme devotee took him to a temple situated inside the house-premise. Narottam was amazed to see the same brahmin, who had been accompanying him all along the way, siting on a lotus flower. He realized that the brahmin was lord Vishnu himself. Lord Vishnu blessed him and said---Be respectful towards your parents, if you want to attain to my abode. I dwell in the houses of people who are virtuous, truthful, possessed equanimity and who have full control over their passion. This is why you found me present at the homes of chandal, Tuladhar & Adrohak. Narottam realized his mistake and decided to be in the servitude of his parents for the rest of his life

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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