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rupen
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17 Posts
Posted - 16 September 2006 :  04:12:31
Vaishnav, Jai Shree Krishna ,
Thank you for the responses and sorry for my delayed response.
 
First of all I think my example created confusion among vaishnavs, as I see vaishnavs started giving answer to my examples.  My motive for giving examples is to demonstrate situations and times where you cannot have ready access to GuruGhar nor you can seek advice from other vaishnavs.  By the time you get response, that particular situation and time passes away.
 
Shri Mahaprabhuji Vaani is gudh (complex).  Even the scholars like Padmanabhandasdji and Rana Vyaasji needs aapshri help to understand granths.  However, we do find evidence in 84/252 vartas that Aapshri showed very simple guidelines to samanya vaishnavs who can easily perform seva pranilika.
 
Most of the vaishnav responded accurately.  As Unnati said, one should definitely contact their respective gurugarh or consult other vaishanvs to seek answer.  But in absence of such resources in crises situation, simple guidelines are very helpful.

 

 
  1. “Perform seva with nandalay bhavana”.  Thanks to Shyamdasji who explained the details elaborately.  Usually, this will respond to questions related to Samagari.

     

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  1. “Yatha Deha tatha Daiva”.  This responds to the questions related to Shringar.  Offer cloths to Shriji according to weather conditions.  Manishji explained same in his post.
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NOTE: Do not change the color of the cloths.  As they have significance in shringar.

 

  1. “Always put Thakorji Sukh in first place”.  I think Monica explained it very well.  The third step encompasses first two steps.  But putting it as a separate thought will help answering rest of the questions.
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And finally, check the sanity of your action by clarifying it with your gurudev or other vaishnavs.


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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 16 September 2006 :  16:25:03

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

            Here by this topic, we very beautifully understand the importance of our ShriGurudwar. Seva Prakaar, and also the teachings we should always try to grab from our ShriGurucharan. One thing is true that we cannot do satsang with our ShriGurucharan, but only take the benefits of the Gudh vaani of ShriMahaprabhuji from the ShriMukh of our ShriGurucharan, but for digesting that Gudh Vaani, that vaani should be understood properly and in the right manner, and shall be done that vaani's satsang to the Sweeyan-Bhaktaan. And not to all.

   May my posting be differrent from the original post, but i posted this because to show the importance of our ShriGurucharan and ShriGurudwar.



Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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friendmonu
Mover & Shaker Member


280 Posts
Posted - 16 September 2006 :  21:43:14
Jai Shri Krishna!!

Till now in many postings we all are saying follow Gurughar n then do seva but recently a Mukhiyaji from Coimbtur Haveliji said this that the seva prakar followed at Shri Nathdwara should be followed. Now what Gurughar is present at Shri Nathdwara n had someone else ever heard like this??

Let's see what  all Vaishnavs say.

Jai Shree Krishna!!

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shyamdasji
Entry Level Member


44 Posts
Posted - 16 September 2006 :  23:02:13
jsk, monica ben i will satisfy ur query,first of all follow ur gurudwar agya for seva,if not possible due to some problem then there is a solution which generally everybody follows,only in absence of guru agya only,the ans is to follow seva prakar of navnitlalji of nathdwra,so the ans for this is that y only follow seva prakar of nathdwara navnitlalji,this is because shri vithalnathji was the one to increase and establish seva prakar,he use to do seva of shri navnitlalji of nathdwara,so he prepared pranalika of navnit lalji and shreenathji,now as seven sons were born and given their own sevya swaroop,they had to follow seva prakar of navnitlalji only,as seven sons have to follow their father shri vithalnathji ,so they followed their fathers seva prakar,so every ghar has made few changes in prakar but still they have to follow navnitlals seva prakar only,so every ghar follows that,ok next thing navnitlalji and shreenathji r pradhan swaroops,they rank first ,then all the nidhi swaroops,so incase a vaishnav is not sure of which pranalika ,if they follow navnitlaljis seva prakar that is ok(still i say that if possible ask ur gurughar,as i am sevak of tilkaya shri i follow navnit lals seva prakar only,but never do seva mann kalpit or by asking vaishnavs since this may lead to wrong seva prakar sometimes),best option is to consult ur guru ,ok now as per coimbatore haveli concerned ,as i said if universally if they follow navnitlaljis seva prakar its ok,in this seva prakar all gurughars reet r included,again i am mentioning u should consult any guru in his absence any balak,or then follow navnitlaljis seva prakar so thats it,for any mistakes shama from vaishnavs and lotus feet of shri vallabh, Edited by - shyamdasji on 16 September 2006 23:06:44 Edited by - shyamdasji on 18 September 2006 19:35:18

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 18 September 2006 :  16:13:07

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

   To ur answer of Monicaji, there r 2 Pushtimargiya Dwar Peeths, 1st The Pratham Laalji of ShriGusaiji i.e. ShriGiridharji's Vansh of the Pratham peeth, and the 2nd is the Second Lalji of ShriGusaiji i.e. ShriGovindji's i.e. dwitiya peeth. Pratham peeth is at ShriNathdwar in the service of Shrinathji bavashri and ShriNavnitpriyaji here we usually call the peethadhishwar of prahtam peeth as the Tilkayat Shri, and the Dwitiya peeth is in the service of ShriVitthalnathji, where in this temple, the baithakji of ShriHariraicharan is there.

    ShriNavnitpriyaji and Shrinathji are the sevya swaroops of Pratham Peeth, but it doesn't mean that there is the categorising of ranking of swaroop first or second or third. Because if we look to the historical idol of swaroop, then ShriGokulnathji (chaturhtbhuj swaroop with 2 shriswaminiji's) is more prachin, which was been served by the father-in-law of ShriMahaprabhuji, and this was in the panchayatan pooja, from the family tradition. So don't make difference between the purushottam-tatva of shrithakurji's, may be shrinathji bava, shrinavnitpriyaji, or any of the pushtimargiya swaroop, being served by ShriMahaprabhuji, ShriGusaiji, by ShriSaptaacharyas, and also from that time till today's other Mahanubhaav AAcharyas and the present Vallabhkul balaks, and also the sevya of a sevak-vaishnava. The purushottam-tatva in any of the pushtimargiya swaroop (according to shrimahaprabhuji) neither more nor less. With respect to Tatva, all those swaroopas in which purushottam aavirbhav is done are considered as "Nidhi" for the sevak-vaishnav from whom the swaroop has been made pusht. So, for the individual vaishnav (Vallabhkul-Vaishnav or Sevak-Vaishnav), their own sevya swaroop is definitely considered as Nidhi.

     There is no fix system for any of the gruh-dwar that the seva prakaar carried forward for ShriNavnitpriyaji is the only prakaar. It had changed to each and every Gruh-Dwar. Sometimes it do happens that we r far distance from our shrigurucharan, from whom we had taken diksha, as we r far for the reason of earnings, or may be the family. But if we had made ShriGuru, then it is better to be in touch with our Guru-dwar. From the Vaartas of 84, and 252, we find that the Bhagwadiyas did the seva with different ways, considering the concept and aagyna of shrimahaprabhuji as "SEVA KRUTIR GURORAAGYNA BANDHANAM VAA HARICHAYA". So ShriGuru's aagyna at the starting phase, and then slowly to the wish of own sevya shriprabhu.



Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 18 September 2006 :  16:22:12

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

     Monicaji, i don't think so that if Pizza offered to Shrithakurji might be any problems, but as said by Jigarshah, that why to offer raddish, tomatoes, or onion-garlic (non-pushtimargiya menus), pizza can be prepared without using these also. And that also self-prepared. Ofcourse prabhu's sukh comes first then us, as we r sevaks and he is the maalik, So the things prepared should be for the sukh of maalik. ShriMahaprabhuji gave aagyna in the Vaarta of Krishnadas Meghan in the reply of the query of the question that What did shrithakurji like the most? ShriMahaprabhuji gives orders : ShriThakurji is the Bhokta of Uttam Vastu. So if some vaishnav offers the pizza as the best Vastu for his/her own shriprabhu then i don't think will be a problem.

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Jai Shri Krishna!!


Can a vaishnav offer “Home made pizza” to his/her Thakorji?
 

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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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shyamdasji
Entry Level Member


44 Posts
Posted - 18 September 2006 :  19:57:01
jsk, monicaji by my word pradhan swaroop i am not categorizing,since they have been considered pradhan swaroop by whole sect,you can consult an acharya charan and confirm it,i am not calling it pradhan for my sake,secondly u know that kakavallabhji distributed his sevn sons seven other swaroops which r known as chote nidhis ,now as such there is no difference between ur thakorji and shreenathji but these r the titles given by acharyacharan,like shree vallabh had told that shreenathji is our kul devta so to take care of him ,by this he was not saying that others swaroops r not important,while talking about nidhi,the word nidhi means own s wealth every swroop is nidhi of the vaishnav who does his seva,by saying 7 nidhi means that this is the title again given and established by shri vithalnathji and thus he established seven ghars,since as father has to give some wealth to his children shree gusainji told that his biggest nidhi was thakorji ,so he distributed seven swaroops to his seven sons and thus from that time it was known as nidhi swaroops,so it is not me who has given them name,secondly gokulnathji is not the oldest swaroop shri madanmohanji swaroop is the oldest as it was there is mahaprabhujis house for very long ,yagna narayan bhat got this swaroop from yagna kund ,so on,so really u cant coment on how old it is and which is pradhan,we r no one to rank them,we call them pradhan according to the tenets put by acharya charan,by this ur not forgetting the purushotam tatva,i am making myself very clear,thirdly i am no one to comment on seva prakar,the best soulution is to ask ur guru charan,or in his absence consult any vallabhkul balak,or then follow "badhanam hari itcha if not seva krutir guru agna",again i am saying possible consult ur guru that is the best option, jsk

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friendmonu
Mover & Shaker Member


280 Posts
Posted - 19 September 2006 :  18:44:13
Jai Shri Krishna!!

Thanks Gopalbhai n Shyamji for responses regarding seva prakar.

Now as Gopalbhai said, Monicaji, i don't think so that if Pizza offered to Shrithakurji might be any problems, but as said by Jigarshah, that why to offer raddish, tomatoes, or onion-garlic (non-pushtimargiya menus), pizza can be prepared without using these also. And that also self-prepared.

Related to this : All of us know right from base to topping all ingridents of pizza are not allowed. So here it's suggested to make home-made pizza. But when contents n recepie will change it won't be ur pizza but something different. So pls name ur dish..

Now same thing may be related to flowers (zerberas, dutch roses, daffodils, tulip etc) n fruits (kiwi, peach, hybrid papaya, cherries, strawberries, lichies etc. ). Many imported ones n no. of varietes r available this days that were not present those days so then ?????


Jai Shree Krishna!!

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 29 September 2006 :  09:58:45

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

          Just referring to this topic, One thing should be understood that WHen we offer Roti, Paratha, nan, Baati r been prepared from the flour of Wheat, etc. So even Bread is been prepared from flour, So Pizza itself is been prepared from flour. If these things r eatables, then why not Pizza (home-made, self prepared)?

             When i was going through a dharma Granth of our Sanatan religion named Dharma Sindhu,  i found 1 query's reply, which Monicaji u said for the flowers,. Here below i m quoting it.

     "Which flowers r liked by ShriVishnu? ----> the flowers of Malati, Jaay, Ketaki, Mogara, Ashok, Champo, PUnnag, Bolsari, Kund, Kamal, Kaner, Patla (padal) and Tagar,  are been liked by ShriVishnu. Bt more liked are Aghado, Bhangaro, Kher, Shani, Durva, Kush, Davana, and Tulsi-Patra (which all are shrubs). And from these all More liked one is Tulsi."             (source ;; dharma sindhu granth)

      If we talk for fruits, like cherries, peach, papaiyas (may be normal or hybrid), strabberies, don't find any problems as eatables. It depends on the person's own wish.



Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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