Jai jai shri gokulesh

We normally say Radha Krishna, Laxmi Narayan ans Sita Ram.............

Why we dont say Parvati Shiv and instead we say Shiv Parvati?

 Unnati Kadakia

Edited by - unnati on 19 March 2006 13:34:37

Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....

Unnati Kadakia

Jai Shree Krishna

I am not too sure, but just a thought....

In Vaishnav dharma, It is said that to Reach Shree Krishna, one has to first seek the blessings of Shree Radhaji, Like in Pushtimarg, we seek Shree Yamuanjis blessings to attain Shree Thakorji, etc. hence one always first calls out to Radhaji, Laxmiji, Sitaji etc. before calling out Shree Krishna, Narayan, Rama etc.

Further, we always prefix Shree before the name of  parbhu, Shree in itself means Laxmi.

However, With respect to Shivji, he himself is bholanath, hence one always calls out hisname first and foremost.

jai jai shri gokulesh

Thankyou shrikantji for explaining it...........

Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....

Unnati Kadakia

Radhe Radhe Bolo Chale Aayenge Murari !!!

Understood that Shri Shyam Sundar is too natkhat. Banke Bihari, Lalit Tribhangi,  Sakshat ManManmath. No other way to attain him except following the Vraj Vanitas and Sakhas as shown by Shri Vallabh.

But then what about Shri Ram. He is maryada purshottam and far from having natkhat swabhav. His bhaktas have always attained him directly. Then the sambodhan "SitaRam" would be against the understanding.

Just a thought,

PG

Jai Shri Krishna,

If i may add a few comments. Apologies for the long-winded (and possibly confusing) post.

It is said that Shivji/Mahadevji is an absolute Yogi. Also, He is always in samadhi (well almost always), and that he does not sit with Parvatiji - except in rare cases we see Him sitting on the same Aasan. This could be to do with an incident/prasang when Shivji was enjoying Ramjis Leelas and when He had Ramji in the Van,

When He saw Ramji walking in the forests during His exhile, Shivji called out aloud, addressing Ramji as Shakshat Par-Brahm and bowed His head in respect. To this Parvatiji showed doubt and Shivji,  and said how could a manav (human) wandering in the forests be para-brahm. Understanding that this was "Ramjis leela" and that Parvatiji would not believe Him, Shivji asked her to go to Ramji and find out for herself, which she did by testing Ramji, by disguising herself as Sitaji. Ramji immediately recognised her and asked her Maa, how come you are alone here, where is Shivji. To this Parvatiji was embarassed, paid her respects and returned to Shivji. When Shivji asked, she "lied" and said she only went to pay her respects, but Shivji realised and saw the whole incident in dhyaan and saw Parvatiji disguised as Sita - because of this He immediately did tyaag of Parvatiji as his wife/consort and gave her the position/seat of mother (Sita).

- Again this is recognised as His Leela, as Shivji has always been a Maha Yogi and Tyaagi, etc. (Yogeshwar)

- Thakorji is YogIshwar (Yogiyo na Ishwar - hence Mahadevji's ishwar also). Thakorji is also Maha Yogi but He is also Maha Bhogi (*typo corrected). This feature separates Him from anyone else, because no one can be both. If i remember it correctly, I think this is clarified in some Kathas and Tikas of Bhagwatji by respected authors and vaktas.

In all His temples we see Him or His form alone, without Parvatiji.

However, when it comes to Gauri Maa then we say Gauri-Shankar.

Best Wishes
Jagdish

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Jagdishbhai, please dont be Apologies for the long posting. Instead you are clarifying the concept.

Unnati Kadakia

Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....

Unnati Kadakia

Very interesting point, Shri Jagdishbhai, if I have understood clearly.

We have a formula here -  a siddhant.

All our Swarups (Shri Krishna, Shri Ram, Shri Shiv) when they give darshan, BUT their Shri Swamini Swarup is also present, God forbid, but you have to do smaran of their Shri Swamini Swarup first.

Where the Swarup is alone. The vinanti can be done directly.

Well, Well. All the people who would like to point fingers at the Hindu religion that 'disrepect for women' is ingrained in it, have a case against them. Even our Devtas would like us to first bow down to their Swamini Swarup, and then through them when the vinanti reaches them, will they shower their Kripa drishti on us.

PG