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kaveeru
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 Posted - 24 August 2006 : 03:53:27
Jai Shree Krishna to all,
I don't know how to ask this question.. will try to explain it..
In our Pushtimarg Dharma the "Mannat or Manata" (Religious Vow) can be done or not...? I have seen that many ppl make the Manata that if it complets then will do it that and all.... I want to know that is it done in our Pushtimarg..? or not..
Is anybody can explain me about this...:)
Thanks
Kavita..
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unnati
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Posted - 24 August 2006 : 09:29:09
Jai jai shri gokulesh
Ther are different margs like karm, gyan and upasna through which desire can be fulfilled. But in Pushti Marg our devotion should not be with any desire and we should have strong faith in lotus feet of Shri Thakoreji. As said in Panchshloki, " Karishyanti Vishvaso" i.e. Shri Thakoreji will do the needful.
Lets see different margs and Pustimarg:
In Karma marg one can make happy to god by doing as per said in scripure i.e Vidhi(Do's) and Nished(Don't).
In Gyan Marg as per the intrest of the soul he comes to know wheather it is the true goal or not.
In Upasana Marg is a path of worship of the desired deties through Jap, mantra etc.
But all this results to attain Akshar Bhrama and not the communion with god.
Nishkam bhakti means Nirgun-Pusti-Devotion.
Nirguna-Devotion:
Devotion in Shri Krishna without having desire to obtain any kind of fruit and by concentrating mind in the Supreme-Being Bhagavan Sri Krsna is called Nirguna-Devotion. Nirguna-Devotion is also known by the name of 'Ahaituki' or 'Animitta' devotion. A wish to obtain any kind of fruit is called 'Hetu' or 'Nimitta'. Devotion in which there is no Hetu or Nimitta of any kind is called 'Ahaituki' or 'Animitta' devotion. The very Nirguna devotion, to which Bhagwan has considered as the bestkind of bhakti in Bhagwat-purana, has been preached by Shri Vallabhacharyaji by the name of Pusti-Devotion.
Nirgun-Pusti-Devotion the Best:
Narrating the excellence of Nirguna-Pusti-Devotion in Shri Bhagavata Bhagavan says:
"Though my Nirguna devotees consider my worship as the very fruit, do not ask for any kind of liberation from me. But when I bestow upon them with my own accord,liberation in the form of Salokya Mukti, Sarsti Mukti, Samipya Mukti or Sayujya Mukti. My devotees are not ready to accept any kind of liberation at the cost of my service. This itself is recognized as ‘Bhakti-Yoga’ of ultimate type and as independent fruit. By this Bhakti-Yoga the devotee becomes free from the influences of all the three Guna and attains devout sentiment as the final fruit."
Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati Kadakia
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manish1
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Posted - 25 August 2006 : 06:36:37
Jai Shri Krishna,
Kavita ben, i dont think its allowed or permitted in Pushtimarg. But then again if some people do it, then we cannot so say its wrong.
but in one pravachan in had heard if anyone we can ever ask for something in Pushtimarg, then its only Shri Giriraj Bawa, pravachan was in Gujarati, and though I understand most of it. But perhaps other vaishnavs can same their views.
thanks
Manish
Jai Shree Krishna
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friendmonu
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 25 August 2006 : 10:46:36
Jai Shri Krishna!!
In pushtimarg vaishnavs should not ask for anything to Thakurji as we hear many times. But I know one thing that after all if vaishnav wants to make some manta then it should be with Shri Girirajji only and not with any other Sevya Swarup.
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Regards,
Monica.
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shyamdasji
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Posted - 25 August 2006 : 15:59:25
jai shree krishna,
pustimarg is ,marg of unconditional love,
meaning not based on any conditions,
prem mei no neem,
no pustimarg is marg in which there is no apakesha of phaal,
if there is any phal then,"seva nu phal seva che"
there is no other phal,
yes now people like marya say manta rakhvi to koni,
sorry to say if i ofend somebody,but if u talk of this u have still not understood pustimarg,
when gopikas did seva of thakorji did they expect something,ans is no,that is why shree mahaprabhuji call them gopi prem ki dwaja
,shree vallabh says this is marg of gopis ,swaroop of unconditional love,so he calls them his guru,
i will return to topic,
ya people say manta u can do of giriraji as monicaji said,
because he is haridasvarya ,ie hari na preeys bhakt ,he is always in seva of thakorji ,so prabhu has also given his swaroop to him,but still he is bhakt manorathdharak ,as ek bhakt no manorath bijo bhakt purna kare che,
so that is y people take girirajis manta,secondly he gets pleased easily and angry too,so he is bhakt himself so fullfills others bhakts manorath also,so thats the reason,
ok i will ask all vaishnavs one question u can give me ans in 2 to 3 days after which i will give my ans,
ouestion is as follows "who else in pustimarg u can ask ,and that swaroop (prem nu swaroop)will fullfill that as that swaroop has pragatya is to fullfill bhakts manorath,then whether it is lokik or alokik?
i will eagerly wait for the ans
for any mistake i ask shama from vaishnavs and in kamal charan of shri vallabh,
jai shree krishna
shyam vajani
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friendmonu
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 25 August 2006 : 16:59:13
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Not sure, It's a guess Is it Shri Yamune Maharani, taking bhaktas to Shri Thakurji.
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Regards,
Monica.
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shyamdasji
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 28 August 2006 : 00:30:42
jai shree krishna,
yes monicaji,u r right yamunaji ,param krupalu yamunaji is bhakt manorath dharak,like described in 41 padas,bhagya saubhagya sab yamunaju dayi,though as pusti bhakt we should not expect anything except bhakti,but still yamunaji is our maa and from mother child can ask anything,as shree indirabetiji explained in her pravachan once that as a person comes home he gives his coat to his wife,in which his wallet and all important things are there,in the same way thakorji has given all his asta that is 8 sidhies to yamunaji,that is also stated by shree mahaprabhuji in yamunastakam,shree yamunajis pragtya is only for place jeevs hand in thakorji.thats the reason we can ask anything from yamunaji.
for any mistakes shama from vaishnavs and in lotus feet of shree vallabh.
shyam vajani
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unnati
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Posted - 28 August 2006 : 08:59:51
Jai jai shri gokulesh
Shyamji, very well explain. As u said, "yamunaji is our maa and from mother child can ask anything" thats very true. But how can we know that Shri yamunaji has accepted us as her son / daughter?
Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati Kadakia
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nirenthakar
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Posted - 28 August 2006 : 20:28:01
Jai Shree Krishna,
There is a reference in 252 Vaishnavs katha were Shree Goswamiji has asked one of His sevak to perform abhishek of Shree Girirajji with milk to get his wish fulfilled and at the same time is instructed him not to ask anything from Shree Thakorji as causes disturbance in the nitya leela and parishram. Even in another katha one of the sevak use asked for a cure from his ailment in front of Shree GovardhanNathji, were ShreeNathji Him self had complained about him to Shree Goswamiji .
Niren
jai govardhandharan
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kaveeru
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Posted - 28 August 2006 : 20:43:14
Jai Shree Krishna,
Thanks for wonderful explaination.. shyamdamdasji you have eplained very well I didn't know that "yamunaji ,param krupalu yamunaji is bhakt manorath dharak" I was waiting for answer.. I also didn't know that, "vaishnav wants to make some manta then it should be with Shri Girirajji only" thanks for sharing ... Thanks Unnatiji and Nirenji for sharing...:)
Thanks
Kavita..
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shyamdasji
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Posted - 28 August 2006 : 20:44:40
jai shree krishna,
unnati ji i will explain to u and answer ur query
now in pustimarg three swaroops are very important,they are shreenathji,shree yamunaji,and shree mahaprabhuji,now as stated by mahaprabhuji in pustimarg there two mothers who are very look up to and worshipped that are shree yashodaji and shree yamunaj,now to ur question"how she has accepted u as her child?",so when u enter pustimarg as stated by mahaprabhuji yamunaji is the ista devi of pustimarg and shreenathji is our ist dev,now after a vaishnav gets initiated into pustimarg,they automatically become children of yamunaji as ,yamunaji is mother of all pustimargiya jeev, as a child forgets his mother for some time while mother still remembers him,in the same way jeev may not consider her as their mother but she considers all pustimargiya jeev as her children,thus shree yamunajis main manorath is to take jeev,free him from all dosas ,and then take him to thakorji,it is very well explained in 41 paads that when a person is initiated in pustimaarg ,the most happiest person is shree yamunaji ,since we all are said yamunaji na jeev ,and as described shree yamunaji runs to thakorji with happiness to lend bhakts hand in to thakorji s and request her swami accept this jeev ,he is urs.As described by harirayji in 41 paad, yamunaji is priya to thakorji so much that "shyam sukh dhaam jaha naam inke"that is thakorji always resisdes where shree yamunajis naam jhap is there ,so in this way shree yamunaji is param krupalu,
for any mistake shama from vaisnavs and lotus feet of shree vallabh.
jai shree krishna
shyam vajani
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