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srajanitp@vsnl.com
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 Posted - 31 August 2004 : 01:49:20
jai nshree krishna
what is the differecne between j j gokulesh and jaishree krishna
why j j gokulehs followers doesnot belive chinubawa based gokulsrajani
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pushtidas
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Posted - 31 August 2004 : 13:29:31
Jai shree Krishna Shirishji
These are a courtesy bidding phrases as in English we say Hello and "Kamcho" in Gujarati. Mostly Vallabhi Vaishnava who follows the teachings of Shree Vallabhadhish always bid "Jai Shree Krishna" to their fellow vaishnava and then we have a Pushti section where the followers of Shree Gokulnathji, bid "Jai Jai Shree Goklesh". In similar way Christians bless their farewel bidding by saying "May God Bless You" and Muslim ardent followers always bid their Muslim encounters by saying " Salah Malekum".
As far as the fellowship of following their Guru or releigion , it is a personal choice so in this case it is unfair to comment on personal belief and the choice.
Jai shree Krishna
Pushtidas
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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snehal gandhi
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Posted - 31 August 2004 : 18:39:58
Jai Shree Krishna.
basically vaishnavs who bid jai jai shri gokulesh say jai for there guru Shri Gokulnathji. They have deep aasakti in there guru and believe that u should keep only one sharan of ur guru. They believe in ananyashray of only one swaroop. There r two types of ananyashray in Pushtimarg. One is of 'Dharma' and another of 'Dharmi Swaroop'. In ananyashray of 'Dharma' u keep ananyashray in Pushtimarg and in ananyashray of 'Dharmi swaroop' u have aasakti in only one swaroop. That swaroop may be the one of which u r doing seva or swaroop of ur guru or of Shree Yamunaji or Shreejibava or Shree Vallabh or anyone. Once u get deeply aasakt in only one swaroop u feel like ur world ends there. After that u have no aasakti for anyother swaroop. Refer to the prasang in 252 vaishnavs of the old woman who had aasakti only in swaroop of Shree Madanmohanji and Shree Balkrishnalalji had to take swaroop of Shree Madanmohanji for her. so its all the question of ur aasakti in swaroop.
Jai Shree Krishna
Snehal
snehal gandhi
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 02 September 2004 : 12:33:43
Jai Jai gokulesh
yes ur right snehalji,
vaishnavs who bid jai jai shri gokulesh say jai for there guru Shri Gokulnathji. They have deep aasakti in there guru and believe that u should keep only one sharan of ur guru. They believe in ananyashray of only one swaroop.
Moreover the 78 bhagwadiya's of Aapshri didn't perform different seva of shrithakurji, but infact the seva lf their ShriGurudev is the almight they thought. So they said the bhagwad smaran of Jai of ShriGokuleshprabhucharan. and the same trend today also follows for the sevaks of the Chaturthpeth.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 02 September 2004 : 13:06:51
jai shree krishna
why is this principle followed gopal bhai? because i think all vallabh kul are the same there is no big or small but all are vallabh swaroop and we consider all vallabh kul as shree mahaprabhuji's swaroop then whats the reason having asakti in one guru?
i understand you should have asakti in ONE SWAROOP of thakorji, thats why usually shree vallabh kul balak's says which swaroop you have asakti that swaroop i should give you (padrawu) and sevya.
please explain.
thank you
Jay Bhatt
(JAI SHREE KRISHNA)
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 02 September 2004 : 14:24:52
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Mulbhoot there r 7 dwars in our sampraday, m i right? If yes, the every jeev comming in pushtimarg belongs to some particular dwar for to be a sevaks, and not to all 7 dwars. Jaybhai, u r right that vallabhkul is shrimaharabhuji's swaroop. But u can treat every vallabhkul as a guru. My argument might mind someone, but to clarify pls understand me. All vallabhkul is same, but for a guru, should be only 1. Even if u go through old stories, u will find that the sevaks of these saptaacharyas didn't went to hear the vachnamrut apart from their Shrigurudev's shrimukh, means if a vaishnava was a sevak of ShriGirdharji, didn't came to SriGokuleshji for getting instructions for sampraday related questions, but that vaishnava only goes to ShriGirdharji and similarly for all 7 aacharyas. Because each aacharya right from that age till present has their own theory to explain but the vani of shrimahaprabhuji remains same. we jeevs r so pamar that we can't understand every vani every explainations from every vallabhkul, so we did only 1 guruji.
If this point is clear then let's understand aasakti, aasakti means affection, dedication, dinta towards that swaroop, even if the swaroop is a thakurji or ShriGurudev. If we recall the 1st varta of 84 vaishnavas, damodardasji, never did thakurji seva, but only served shrimahaprabhuji as sarvasva. similarly the sevaks from chaturthpeeth has great attraction for their mulpurush, chaturthkumar shrigokuleshprabhucharan, so for bhagwat smaran they say Jai Jai ShriGokulesh. Even me too as i m from Chaturthpeeth.
Even we find the sevaks from the ancestors of ShriRamanlalji Maharajshri of Mathura says Jai Jai ShriGokulesh.
And srajani ShriChinubavashri belongs to other dwar apart from Chaturthpeeth, so the answer comes automatically.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 02 September 2004 : 14:45:01
jai shree krishna
thank you gopal bha i for your explaination, but one more thing came to my mind again as i was hearing the pravachan of shree vallabh lalji i dont know more details abt it, he said in his pravachan that we vaishnavs call them vallabh kul na balak and at the same time we call them our guru, he said you have to make a decision what you want from us either guru or BALAK, because he said our guru is only one shree mahaprabhuji and we are his balaks.
well i dont know if it makes sense or probably i cant explain much sorry and thank you for your great answer.
Jay Bhatt
(JAI SHREE KRISHNA)
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Hitesh
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Posted - 02 September 2004 : 22:14:48
Jai Shree Krishna, Jay ,and Gopalbhai and all vaisnav Vrund.
I totally agree with Gopalbhai,and to what Jay has said that there is only one guru and that is Shri Mahaprabhuji. Because we have so many goswami balko's comming here in the U.K and they also say in there pravachan too that Shri Vallabh is our guru and all vaisnavs guru too.And that they are only, "GURU DWAR", and teach us how to do seva ect.
We have too many vaisnavs here who have spilt up because of this misunderstanding, thinking that the balak who gave them brahmasambandh is the only guru for them which is wrong, even thou goswami balkos do say as i mentioned above they are not willing to listen to that and still go ahead from there own beliefs. So we have so many groups of vaisnavs who do ther own things.
It would be so good if everbody had the same understanding because it makes a hell of a lot of difference, in religious activities also when there are different goswami balkos comming over ect. Ane manorath paan kevo dipe jyare vaisnav na jooth hoi.
At one time when shri Rashikraiji came and that was his first ever time here,since then he has setteled here and we have learnt so much from him and he is our siksha guru because he has taught us how to do sajavat for manoraths ane thakorji nu sukh keve rite vichar vu ect,and still if we got problems he is all ways there for everyone.
Anyway at the time when he came there used to be so many vaisnavs and it was unbelievable the atmosphere was so good and nobody wanted to go home, there was just anand every where. But now it has gone so bad with different groups here there and everywhere. Anyway i hope that Shri Mahaprabhuji gives everbody sari sadbhudhi and that everone again becomes one like it should be.
So i say once again that Shri Mahaprabhuji is our guru dev. Shri Vallabhadish ki jai.
Jsk, Hitesh
So i say once again that our guruji is only one and that is shri mahaprabhuji.
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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 03 September 2004 : 03:35:03
jai shree krishna
i also agree with what hitesh bhai has said i have also seen this in many places which is not gooD.
shree hariraiji has also said in his vallabh sakhi that "SHREE VALLABH KUL BALAKUSABE SABHAHI EKKA SWAROOP CHOTO BARO NA JANIYO SABA HI AGNI SWAROOP".
accordingly to this shree hariraji says all the vallabh kul are same but still vaishnavs do bedh bhav i dont know why.
any way thats it from my side
Thank you
Jay Bhatt
(JAI SHREE KRISHNA)
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pushtidas
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Posted - 03 September 2004 : 13:26:35
Jai Shree Krishna
I think what Hiteshji and Jay Bhattji said in their last postings, they both are absolutely close to the Pushti Mariyada Bhava. As in shree Hariraiji's vallabhsakhi and various other granth it is an universal agreement by Vallabhkul that they are only Mukh-Dwaar and hense the Atma Nivadan Mantra is given to Pushti Jiva by keeping Shree Mahaprabhuji as a prominant simbol of Gurupad. Hense they only give this Atma Nivadan dixa with Mahaprabhuji's Kani and so our Guru is Shree Mahaprabhuji and our ashakti should be in Shree Vallabh.
Although we should have an inclination with our Bhuwtic Guru who has taken upon HIM to give us the Atma Nivadan Dixa. But then, if andh shradha and bhava takes over, then we all become victims of Guruvaad. So lets all have a united front and just be a Vallabhi Vaishnava and get on with our Vaishnava kartavia.
Now the seven dwars are for our Bhowtic Guru dwars where he opens the door for the bhowtic elements of his parikar Mukh Dwar vaishnava to enter lila. But which ever Guru Dwar you go through, you will be going to Gawlok (LILA DHAM). It is like entering a Theatre Hall from various door, which ever door you enter but the destination is into theatre hall.
So it does not matter weather we say Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh or Jai Shree Krishna. One shows an ardent ashakti towards Guru Balak and the other reminds you that there is Shree Krishna in everyones heart and I bid his jai by meeting you.
Jai Shree Krishna
Pushtidas.
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 03 September 2004 : 15:03:38
Jai Shree Krishna
The universal agreement bit is very correct Pushtidasji, this we come across in many vachnamruts of various Gobalaks.
And also one find that this custom is followed only by the chaturthpeed and non-other. We all know of the famous Mala tilak raksha movement initiated by Shree Gokulnathji, and in the prasang there comes a time when Vaishnavs had gathered at Mathura to sacifice themselves, may be it is during these troubled times that Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh became an important identity. For Jai Shree Krishna as a Greeting is and was very common by then and was not used only by the Pushtimargiya Vaishnavs, whose very indentity was at threat then.
Edited by - shreekant22 on September 03 2004 15:05:17
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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