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chiragdoshi
News Reporter
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 Posted - 30 January 2003 : 10:25:04
Jai Shree Krishna,Dear Vaishnav's,
On 27th of january I had posted a question, lots of vaishnavs has read it but nobody has replied it except Ami has tried to reply. I am once again bringing the same querry to all of you, If everything is happening by Thakorji's wish, why do we vaishnav's get the 'Apradh/Dosh'? Vaishnav's it's an humble request to all of you to reply on this or give any comments. Jai Shree Krishna. Chirag Vaishnav
(Chirag Doshi)
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
1047 Posts
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Posted - 31 January 2003 : 07:42:39
Jai Shri Krishna,
All calamities do happen as God wishes but at the same time He is so kind to give us total freedom to choose what one wishes and it is our duty to do the right thing.(or choose between right and wrong).
It is as simple as
"You reap what you Sow".
By doing good your Karmas will be good
If you get angry you loose Gyan
If you be greedy you loose Bhakti.
Kaam/Krodh/Lobe are 3 enemies of life.
Vasant
Vasant
Vasant
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admin
President - Pushtikul.com
422 Posts
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Posted - 31 January 2003 : 13:32:57
Dear Chirag,
My Grandpa says :-
"Thakorji always gives you prerna of doing good things. He always makes you to do good things for others. But, due to Doshas like eating outside, non-compliance with Aachar-Vichar, it so happens that our mind looses the affinity between right and wrong. We do deeds which are bad and are against Thakorji's wish. So, we fall in Aapradh."
Jai Shri Krishna,
Anand Majethia
(President)
Shri Vallabhadhish ki Jai !!
Anand A. Majethia
President
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yogini
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Posted - 31 January 2003 : 16:47:13
Jai Shri Krsna,
As per the knowlegde which i have from my Guru is we have to complete our sufferings of the last birth n unless we don't complete that we can't lead to Moksha, every action we do every deed we do is the seed we are sowing for the next birth. We have to complete all our tasks. Like if you think that i'll donate X amount in this life n due to some reason you cant do it which means you have discharged your form for the next birth n some how that amount will go from your hand. So its best to make commitments yatha shakti n not carry forward to the next birth. If you take the dosh as the wish of god n blessing in disguise you will never feel upset n regretful I hope this answers your question.
Yogini
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admin
President - Pushtikul.com
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Posted - 31 January 2003 : 20:48:03
Sorry Yoginiben,
Your views are not in compliance with that of Pushtimarg. In Pushtimarg, the Crores and Crores Doshas of a Vaishnav just vanish in a simple second if Thakorji wishes. There is absolutely no need to take re-birth. Only thing necassary here in Pushtimarg is love for Thakorji.
We must always try to remove our Doshas and Thakorji I am sure will help us in it. Like it's said "Unless we help ourselves, God will not help us".
Jai Shri Krishna,
Anand Majethia
(President)
Shri Vallabhadhish ki Jai !!
Anand A. Majethia
President
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neilpanchmatia
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 03 February 2003 : 03:56:05
Exactly. In Pushtimarag, the aim of seva and smaran is not a better rebirth, but moksha from this world of pain and suffering and going to Gaulok dham to serve Shree Thakorji and Shri Swaminiji eternally. Jai Shree Krishna. Neil.
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jatin
Pushtikul Ethics Director / P.E.M. June 2003
424 Posts
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Posted - 03 February 2003 : 10:48:43
Dear Chirag,
I agree with Anand and vasant bhai, so i think you have got you answer.
And as per me the aparadh and dosh will be ruined i fwe are doing seva and smaran daily. Normally we are going to temple when we are sad and when we r happy on that time we r forgetting god so to keep him self away from Aparadh and Dosha we have to Seva,Smaran and satsang of thakorji,Gurudev and vaishnavs.
Jai Shree Krishna
Jatin Malkan
Shree Dwarikadhiski Jai
Shree Sri Lalji Pyare Ki Jai
Jatin Malkan
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VINOD P. SHAH
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 03 February 2003 : 15:54:34
Dear Chirag
Jai Shree Krishna
Your Question : If every thing is happening by Thakorji's wish,why do we vaishnavs get Apradh/Dosh ?
With my little knowledge on the subject I would like to state the following points.
1)The first and foremost thing is that the vaishnavs should always remember in the "Pushti Marg" taht Shree Thakorji is unblemished.
2)Secondly your question is not specific but it is a sort of a general question .
- Can you cite any example wherein vaishnavs are blamed or considered as Apradhi/Doshi by virtue of your statement made in your question .
3)Here I would like to say what I read earlier which is ofcourse known to every naishnavs that :-
Shree Mahaprabhuji was feeling very uneasy for divine soul (devi jeeva )and was worrying one night (Shravan Sood Ekadashi)at Govind ghat/Thakurani ghat that divine soul/devi jeeva are full of impurities/doshes etc. etc. and whereas Shree Thakorji is absolute pure & super soul,
In other way Divine soul/devi jeeva are known as "Dosh Nidhan" whereas Shree THakorji is "Gunna Nidhan" and in such circumstances how the re-union will take place between divine soul /devi jeeva and Shree THakorji.
At that juncture Shree Thakorji consoled Shree Mahaprabhuji and gave "Panchakshar Mantra"(Brahma Sambandh Mantra)and very catagorically said that to whomsoever divine soul/devi jeeva you will give above Mantra, I will accept that soul/jeeva unconditionally and all his Apradh/Doshes, (Pancha Dosh) 1)Sahej 2)Desh 3)Kaal 4)Sanyog 5)Sparsh will be totally wiped out.
So this is cotrary to your question, we vaishnavs do not get any Apradh/Dosh rather Shree THakorji with great kindness (Krupa Nidhan)removes all our Apradhs/Doshes once we get Brahma Sambandh .
4)When 'Brahma Sambandh'is given at that time as mentioned above all our Apradhs/Doshes etc. gets wipe out. Now here we vaishnavs have to be very careful that after getting 'Brahma Sambandh'we do not get any further new Apradh/Dosh and for that what we (vaishnavs) shall do is of utmost important.
I would like to mention few aspects in this regard what I have learned from our Shree Maharajshri and from Bhagvadiyas that :-
:- Every day do Seva and Samran
:- Do not take any thing which is not offered to Shree THakorji (Asamarpit vastu no tyag karvo).Shree Thakorji ne samarpi nej levano agrah rakhavano(Sakhadi Mahaprasad levano)
:- Every day do Satsang at least with family members.In satsang read/paan minimum,
1) 41- Badeshiksha Patra
2) 84- Vaishnavs Vaartaji
3) 252-Vaisnavs Vaartaji
preferably in above order.Whatever you read try to implement ASAP.
:- Shree Mahaprabhuji na Charan Kamal no dradh Ashray rakhavano
:-Annyashray na karay
;-Pushti Marg / Shree mahaprabhuji na sidhhant/vachano ma avishvas na karvo
;- Anrut bhasan na bolvu.Speak bare minimum as far as Loikik talks are concerned to avoid Mukharta Dosh.
Like that so many things are there which Vaishnavs shall follow in order to avoid getting new Apradh/Dosh after Brahma Sambandh
I am sorry if I have used any harsh words in this reply.
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod P. Shah
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ojhaak
Pushtikul Elite Member - September 2003
209 Posts
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Posted - 24 March 2003 : 11:33:25
Jai Shri Krishna
Sidhanta Rahasya explains five type of Dhosha in addition Annyashraya is aparadh.Various apradhas are mentioned in vartas.
The five type of dosha exist due to Kaliuga which is well accepted by Mahaprabhji.
Further, once you know the principles and obtained knowledge, then only one become a party to dosha & aparadh other wise all mistakes are forgiven by Thakorji.
This is an established fact wherein Mahaprabhji considered apradh for one of diciple and Thakorji accepted seva on the ground that once once I have taken sombody in Sharan , I do not leave him. That is why one hand of Thakorji is up for calling and the other hand palm is closed for not leaving vaishnava heart/ mana once accepted.
Therefore, submit to follow NAVRATNA first shloka - Chinta kapi ....
Jai Shree Krishna
A.K.OJHA
Jai Shree Krishna
A.K.OJHA
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ojhaak
Pushtikul Elite Member - September 2003
209 Posts
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 11:00:28
Jai Shri Krishna
I wish to supplent in light of Sidhanta Rahashya,
that even after Bramhsambandh five dosha occur.
Jai Shree Krishna
A.K.OJHA
Jai Shree Krishna
A.K.OJHA
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unnati
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Posted - 26 May 2006 : 14:19:02
Jai jai shri gokulesh
Even after Bramhsambandh five dosha occurs, But it does not create any obstacle during seva.
As our Admin said there are crores of dosh but one can see that in siddhant Rahasyam with refrence to Veda there are only 5 types of dosh 1)Sahej 2)Desh 3)Kaal 4)Sanyog and 5)Sparsh which is been also described by Vinodji.
Now would like other vaishnavs to join and explain those 5 types of dosh.
Unnati Kadakia
Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
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