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bhatia
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Posted - 28 August 2006 : 20:54:59
jai Shree Krishna Unnatiji , very good query...I always wonder too if thakurji has accepted us . Perhaps as is said in Navratnam, " Agyandathva Gyannat Krishna Aatmanivedanam YehikrushnasaatKrutPrane Stesham Ka PArdievna" ...so whether with knowldege or without if we are initiated, then we should believe that we belong to Thakurji and so to Yamnaji and the entire PushtiKul, and with their surpeme grace our lives will be taken care of.
Hope I make sense, Jai Shree KRishna
Monica
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manish1
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Posted - 29 August 2006 : 05:23:14
Jai Shri krishna,
shyam bhai, thanks for very nice explanation. the particular pad is:
kahat Shruti Saar, Nirdhar karke
In Bine kon, Esi Kare He Sakhi;
Harat Dukh-Dwandwa, Sukh Kand Barkhe. 1
"Brahm Sambandh Jab, Hot Ya jivako,
Dor Kar Sor Kar, Jay Piyaso Kahe,
Atihi anand Manmeh ju Harke. 2
Nam Nirmol Nag, Le Kou Na Sake,
Bhakt Rakhat, Hiyen Kar Karke;
"Rasikad-Tritam Juki, Hot ja Par Krupa,
Soi Shri Yamunajiko, Rup Parkhen. 3
Manish
Jai Shree Krishna
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shyamdasji
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Posted - 29 August 2006 : 23:56:06
jai shree krishna
,manish bhai u did ur research work and i am happy,
people generally are unaware of yamunajis krupa,for them yamunaji is just turiyo priya or just thakorji na saman rup wala,but there is more to it,if u go through yamunastak and 41 paad ,then u will find yamunajis swroop in that,yamunaji swaroop is far more deeper,she is not only pyari but she is atihi pyari patrani of madanmohanji,the reason is as simple ,in her nirgun gun is pradhan while in swaminiji tamas gun is pradhan and in chandravaliji rajas gun is pradhan,out of this nirgun gun is uttam,though every body s leela and krida are according to thakorjis itcha but still,it is also stated by shree mahaprabhuji, who himself is swaminijis swaroop ,that shri yamunaji is the most krupalu ,she is too dear since she never expects any thing from thakorji,swaminiji does maan but yamunaji is so saral that she never ever does maan and so thakorji is never sad and never needs to please her,thus this is the reason unexpecting nature of yamunaji,makes thakorji more inclined towards her,yamunaji has all guns and siddhies which thakorji has ,she also even has same roop,can u imagine how similar they r,not that yamunaji is ras swaroop of thakorji like thakorji is lagu swaroop(solid form) and yamunaji is ras swaroop(liquid form),when shree vallabh was confused which was govind and thakurani ghaat ,yamunaji could not even wait for a second and see vallabhs taap and she appeared and directed shree vallabh ,so there can never be comparision of yamunaji with any body.for me there is no one like yamunaji,
i would say "yamunaji si nahi aur koi daata",
there is no lady in this world who would like to share her husband,but shri yamunajis is the only one who is always in the hurry ,so that her husband is shared with jeev so that aeno udhar thai,
u tell me have u seen such udaarta in any swaminiji,
i am not against any other swaminiji but just telling,when shree swaminiji saw reflection of a lady near thakorji,which was hers, she could not even bare it for a second ,while once when swaminiji came near nikunj of thakorji,yamunaji was residing there ,on hearing the news of swaminijis arrival yamunaji left as fast as possible so swaminiji and thakorji dont have quarell and be sad,so yamunaji is the sarve shreshth patrani.
for any mistake shama from vaishnavs and lotus feet of shree vallabh,
"shree vallabh vithal girdhari aur shree yamunaji ki balihari"
Edited by - shyamdasji on 30 August 2006 00:03:34
shyam vajani
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unnati
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Posted - 01 September 2006 : 15:56:49
Jai jai shri gokulesh,
Manishji, Thanx for the beautiful pada. Also to every one who tried to explain.
Shyamji, thanx for the explanation well just would like to say all are not learned so few are unaware of the facts. There is nothing wrong in askin questions i guess????
It is said that Shri Thakoreji is our Father and Shri Yamunaji is our Mother. Govindswami has sung a beautiful pada in which it is written the benifits of singing the glories of Shri Yamunaji. The 1st benefit is by singing the glories of Shri Yamunaji is Shri Thakoreji becomes adhin of jeeva i.e. "Shri Yamunaji jas jagatme joi gave, Takee adhin vahee rahat hai pranpati." To make adhin sneh(love) is power through love only one can become paradhin.
Govindswami says, "Hey vaishnav! ved puran te yah baat agam hai , prem ko bhed koi na pave." Shri Yamunaji is goddess of love. Shri Yamunaji is flowing towards universe like mother and going towards Shri Thakoreji. She is full of nector like she feels vatsalya ras as well as madhur ras for Shri Thakoreji. She is the one who takes us to Thakoreji.
Therefore, Govindswami says, “Kahat ‘Govind’ shriyamuna ki ja per krupa soi jeeva shri vallabh sharan ave.” To those jeeva on whom there is a blessing of Shri Yamunaji that jeeva’s gets the refuge of Shri Thakoreji. Like every mother shapes her son/daughter by giving him knowledge, similarly Shri Yamunaji gives us knowledge of shri Thakoreji.
Shri Yamunaji is considered as mother coz it is stated in Shashtra’s and by different saints which is true, on which we can have a faith and accept it. As there thoughts are based on experiences and its not fake. Like in laukik – vaidic karya we serve Ganeshji, Similarly in our pustimarg first of all we remember Shri Yamunaji. Like Ganeshji Shri Yamunaji is also vigna harta (removes all obstacles). In bhaktimarg bhagya of jeeva is written by Shri Yamunaji. If we have a grace of shri Yamunaji we get entry in to bhaktimarg. Shri Yamunaji is also known as Pustibhagyavidhata.
Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati Kadakia
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jigershah
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Posted - 03 September 2006 : 18:25:06
jsk
soul is begger by nature no matter what happens this issue is directly related with anya ashray in some way
if soul becomes help less due to daily life problems
pushti soul can adher to maanta of maa yamunaji and /or mount giri raj
both will take care of laukik problems and manta
recently my wifes immigration situation fell apart due to an ignorant experimental lawyer
and i had to request giri raj ji to solve this critical problem with manta of 35 malas for 35 days
mantra is ( shri hari das varyah namah) and it worked out very well all taken care of
do not trouble child shri thakurji daily problems is way of life and both yamunaji and giri raj ji are suggested by pushti acharyas when a soul becomes helpless
jsk jiger shah
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rupen
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Posted - 16 September 2006 : 05:22:04
Vaishnav Jai Shree
Krishna
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Per my understanding, “There is no place for Maanta in Pushtimarg”. Just recall your Brahmasambandh Gadhya mantra. You as a jeeve submit everything (literally everything that exists in this known world as well as your soul –aatma) to Thakorji.
To respond to Girirajji manta:
Recall the 84/284 story of vaishanv who moved to different place, just to avoid help from other vaishnavs. Here is the short summary of story: One Vaishnav got brahmasambandh from Aapshri. Aapshri told other vaishnavs to help him, as his financial conditions were not good. For few days, the vaishnav accepted the help from other vaishnavs, but he soon realize this is incorrect. He moved to different place and started serving his Thakorji without any vaishnavi help.
Respond toYamunamahranimaa maanta:
In earthly cycle, a child is first attached to his/her mother and then the relation get extended to Father. While, in pushtimarg the relation concept is inverse.
In pushtimarg, first you take brahmasambandhan and accept bond with Thakorji. This relation is then get extended to Yamunamaa as mother. No doubt, Yamunamaa is the most happiest person to see new vaishanv. But don’t forget, bond is first initiated with Brahmasambandhan. Yamunamaa has aasta siddhi and has equivalent power as Thakorji, but it is on her discretion, whether she want to shower any material blessing on vaishnavs. This does not give vaishnav a right to ask for material things from Yamunamaa.
Now, for a non-vaishnav, it’s a different story. You seek material help from Yamunamaa, considering her as one of the Davi like Kaali or Jagdamba, etc.
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manish1
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Posted - 16 September 2006 : 05:48:53
Jai Shri Krishna,
Nicely summarised and put in point format.
Manish
Jai Shree Krishna
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jigershah
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Posted - 19 September 2006 : 09:50:07
jsk
any affliction or problems arising due to laukik life will at some point affect the seva and when we humans become help less vows are necessary as divine help is required
vows for yamunaji and giriraj ji is not product of my mind
it is suggested by very learned and divine powerd 108 acharya shree
and it is perfectly allowed in pushti marg ,,,,,,,,all a vaishnav needs is to take permision
of there own guru and also ask for better alternative to the vow
guru ji advise is best there are situations where vows may not be required
jsk
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 29 September 2006 : 10:23:41
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh
Rupenji u had very well explained the topic. So to ShriYamunaji in our marg, we call as ShriYamuna Maa . Because she is kind. But now a days to please SHriYamunaji, we find that We Modern jeevs of pushtimarg do ShriYamuna Kavach, chunari Manorath for Shriyamunaji, Lotiji Utsav???? Do we get the Historical pramans from time of shrimahaprabhuji in pushtimarg??
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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