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vinod
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Posted - 18 October 2004 : 20:38:11
Dear Gopalji
Jai Shree Krishna
The topic suggested "An appeal for funds for Ankut in the Temple"- Now in what context are you RE-Opening the topic?
Or do you wish to discuss something else relating to the appeal?
Please clarify your statement.
Thank you
Vinod
Edited by - vinod on October 18 2004 20:39:03
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 19 October 2004 : 10:13:48
Jai Shree Krishna
In pushtimarag there is only one temple that of Shreenathji, rest of them are havelis or homes, wherein Shree thakorji is beraajman as the nidhi swaroopa of the respective gobalak or the Vaishnav. In such a situation any kind of manorath performed is done with their own available funds, and not by asking for donations.
May i further add that, It is one thing for Vaishanavs to offer funds to any haveli, but to anounce and collect funds for any kind of manorath is certainly not within the fold of our marg. Also in making such a offering, when a vaishnav offers sanmukh bhet to Shree Thakorji, the it is considered as our direct offering to the Thakorji, which becomes devadravya, and bhets offered otherwise is accepted by the Haveli admin on behalf of the Gobalak, by the Gobalak, for Shree Thakorji, and only he has the right to use it as he may deem fit, and the third bhet offered by the vaishnav to the gobalak himself becomes his own and that may be used by the Gobalak for himself as he may deem fit. Many time Vaishnavs offer bhet withrespect ot a particular manorath, in such circumsatnces too, the perception ought to be that we as an manorathi are only presenting the Gobalak with our itcha, and it is his will and to perform it or not.
This is to the bext of my understanding and my humble submission
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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pushtidas
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Posted - 19 October 2004 : 20:40:31
Jai Shree Krishna
What is manorath? Why do we do manorath? Can we do manorath without money? If we do not or unable to donate or foretake part in a monorath, then will Thakorji be not happy with that vaishnava?
Why do we have to have mandir? What about the teachings of Shree vallabh on "GRAHA_SEVA"? If we believe that our "NIJ SWAROOP" who is part of our Graha Seva Swaroop is a nidhi swaroop then why not use your Viyavrati Draviya for nij Thakorji's sukh and manorathj?
Before anyone attempts to go into this satsang, please try to build your mental state or mind to tune in by self answering these poised questions. Think about what Rajobai said in 84 Vaishnava's varta.
Daso no das
Pushtidas.
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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vinod
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Posted - 20 October 2004 : 00:03:27
Dear All
Jai Shree Krishna
A lot of Satsang on this topic and am sure a lot is learned from it.
But the original Question by Vasantbhai is"Is the Funds used for Ankut or to run the temple?
Now someone /somewhere with this knowledge, please post it, or else will have to ask Vasantbhai to input his view, since he might be nearest to New York?
Thanks
Vinod
Edited by - vinod on October 20 2004 00:04:23
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
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Posted - 20 October 2004 : 03:37:35
Jai Shri Krishna,
Vinodbhai it will be hard to answer your question first of all the temple trustees will never inform us how much they collected.
Eg.
(suppose 40 people sent 1001 ea collection should be 40040 and expenses for Ankut being 9000 who will now tell you what they will do with the balance money)?
But for sure no body gets a refund check as excess money.
Vasant
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vinod
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Posted - 20 October 2004 : 04:57:55
Dear Vasantbhai
Jai Shree Krishna
Thanks for trying and explaining , though our inital question was " for Ankut or for running temple", as you say it is difficult to conclude what happens with the excess money.
However new lessons are learnt everyday.
Thanks
Vinod
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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vinod
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Posted - 20 October 2004 : 05:36:22
Dear Pushtidas
Jai Shree Krishna
A lot has been discussed in the matter of your last posting, and all leading to one thing.
With all due respect, perhaps you can attempt to answer the questions you have posted.
I am sure there are meaningful answers.
Vinod
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 20 October 2004 : 12:18:16
Jai Shree Krishna
It is also i think important to understand who initiate temple projects, what is the objective and how are they managed ?
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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pushtidas
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Posted - 20 October 2004 : 14:45:17
Jai Shree krishna,
In Golden olden days, we had "Tavangar" that is wealthy Vaishnava, who used to send draviya seva for particular manorath and then Haveli/Mandir use to do that manorath for all nishkinchan (not so well off) vaishnava. That draviya was always used up in that manorath and if there was any residual left over, then this left over was carried forward for the following year for the SAME manorath. This was a resolution passed by Shree Krashnadas Adhikariji and Shree Gusainji Param krapaluji.( See Shree Nathdwara Temple Pranalika resolution)
So even if we personally cannot foretake part in draviya seva, but we can in mansik dasha foretake part in the manorath and if we are blessed then perhaps we can take part in Manorath's Bahiya Seva (out of Apras seva).
Now to decide whether the temple uses all of the draviya or not, whether the balance is nutilised for admin expenses is very difficult unless Temple's authority reveals it in their annual accounts. This point is high lighted by Shree Vasantji.
I heard from a very prominant vaishnava that you only use the draviya in these manorath if that was your manorath, and never use draviya because your fellow vaishnava have taken part in that manorath and used their draviya for the manorath. This is according to her is wrong as you have done smarpeet of your wealth to thakorji when you had Pushti Deksha, and it will be not right to use Thakorji's draviya without agiya. She always used draviya into her "Guru Ghar", but if she had an urge to take part in manorath outside her Guru Ghar then she would telephone her Guruji and ask for the agiya. Is this not the right approach?
Daso no das
Pushtidas
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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pushtidas
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Posted - 22 October 2004 : 13:54:17
Jai Shree Krishna Gopalbhai,
Gopalbhai I thought there was a difference between "Samarpeet" and "Daan". When one does Daan, that cannot be used by the Dani (The one who does DAAN), and when you say daan and samarpeet means the same then we have to be very careful how we can use daan draviya.
Gopalji when we do smarpan mantra we do,(Daar, agar, kutumbh, deh, Stree, balaka)give all our wourldly possesion including our wealth to Thakorji with Guruji as a mediator.
Now my predicament is, if samarpeet is daan then we cannot use our son or wife in Lokik avastha, that draviya is also badhak, then what is the answer?
My next devidha is if we not take agiya from our balak then who is going to guide us on the spiritual path? Balak Bhola chai so will say yes, I am sure if it is against shidhant they will attempt to correct that vaishnava who is seeking agiya.
As far as I recall we had a vachnamrut by Shree Mahodaya Shree Indirabetiji "JIJI" she also distinguished that daan and samarpan are two different entity. Daan pachu levaya nahi paan Samarpeet vastu bhokta baad prasadi tarekai levaya, example Rajbhog pachi teh samagree mahaprashad (Thakorjinu adhramrut) thai atlai vaishnava thi levaye. Hense all draviya and all wordly items can be nutilised in lokik and alokik kariya as long as the use of that draviya is proper and per agiya.
Daso no das
Pushtidas
Edited by - pushtidas on October 22 2004 13:58:39
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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