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PG9
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Posted - 06 May 2006 :  22:28:50

I am very curious as to whether the vaishnavs as pointed out by Shri Jiger Shah, and there are many in 252/84 vaishnavs, who did either Tanuja Seva or Vittaja, did they all achieve a lower 'Fal' (result) than the ones who did Tanu-Vittaja Seva. Can we classify them according to what Shri Shrikantji is saying in higher and lower categories. I mean the Asht Sakhas who did not do Gruh Seva, or innumerable other vaishnavs did they anubhav Shri Thakurji less.

PG

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jigershah
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215 Posts
Posted - 07 May 2006 :  09:39:01

dear pg

there is no sadhan that works it is gods wish on how much kripa he will shower on the jeev

after construction of temple only by financial seva puran mal was established in faal dasha

by grace of shree vallabh prabhu  so there is no comparision here on how much a soul needs to do

to achive grace or faal  of pushit from god there are  no set rules it is all up to wish of god him self

some vaishnavs enjoyed faal dasha like gajjan dhavan and some did not  like govind das bhalla

but they all were able to enter the golok that is important

jsk jiger shah

 



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anoopjp
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166 Posts
Posted - 07 May 2006 :  23:00:59

Dear Vaishnavs

JAi Shree Krishna

Very interesting topic... I would like to add that in Pushtimarg the phal of seva is seva. If you are good at doing seva in Mnushya Deha in this loka when you will leave bhutal your own sevya swarup will take you to the inner sanctums of Goloka and introduce you to the seva of koti kandarpa lavanya purna pushti purushottam  gopijan vallabh shree Krishna and shree swaminiji. Also in the dhol of Shree Gos Devkinandanji it is said that

AAshro aik dradh shree vallabhadhish ko

Maanasi reet ki mukhya seva vyasan

Maansi seva is acheived only when a pushtimargi vaishnav reaches Vyasan dasha i.e. he cannot live without the seva of his sevya swaroop.

Maansi seva is the limit of pushtimargi seva where the vaishnav puts his mann budhhi, chit and all his indriyas in thakorji's seva.

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PG9
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Posted - 08 May 2006 :  10:31:39

Shri Jiger Shah, , Thank you for replying,

But Shri Anoopji... What about the 84/252 bhagvadiyas who did not have their own sevya swarup for some reason. Did they not attain Gaulok, did they not attain manasi.

I mean in the present context also there are so many vaishnavs, who for genuine reasons may not be able to do seva of their own sevya swarup. What about them?

PG



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unnati
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Posted - 08 May 2006 :  13:29:40

Jai jai shri gokulesh

I have found the topic related to haveli or nijseva ( Goswami Shri Manmathrai Bawaji's Posting )  which has been previously discussed at pustikul itself. Here is the following link.

http://www.pushtikul.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1227&FORUM_ID=4&CAT_ID=7&Topic_Title=%3Cb%3EGruh+Seva+Only%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%2E%3C%2Fb%3E&Forum_Title=%3Cb%3EKrishna+%26+His+Leelas%3C%2Fb%3E

Also i would like everyone to go through this link. And Please Mr. Admin/ moderator/ president or whom so ever it may concern Please dont remove this posting. Let the doubt be cleared.  

Unnati Kadakia



Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....

Unnati Kadakia

 

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jigershah
Senior Member


215 Posts
Posted - 08 May 2006 :  17:30:55

jsk

 84/252 vaishnavs all achived golok but they all performed  seva  

 vasudeva chakada never had his own swroop

son of kumbhan das only served cows in gau shala and was killed bya tiger

yet they all achived golok dham that is the reason that their jeevan charitra is served as

an example  and i wish dear hit will also provide his line of thinking

beauty of satsang is there is no such thing as wrong answer  it is all different views exchanged

jsk jiger shah



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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


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Posted - 08 May 2006 :  20:02:41
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I am very curious as to whether the vaishnavs as pointed out by Shri Jiger Shah, and there are many in 252/84 vaishnavs, who did either Tanuja Seva or Vittaja, did they all achieve a lower 'Fal' (result) than the ones who did Tanu-Vittaja Seva. Can we classify them according to what Shri Shrikantji is saying in higher and lower categories. I mean the Asht Sakhas who did not do Gruh Seva, or innumerable other vaishnavs did they anubhav Shri Thakurji less.

PG


Jai Shree Krishna

Please please please, nowere have i classified things into lower fal and higher fal.

It is of utmost importance to understand that Tanuvittaja simple means using ones own money/ sahdans and personally attending /doing  seva of Shree Thakorji. This very terms according to the best of my understanding had been laid down for the simple reason that when a Vaishnav does seva, he should neither use his wealth as the only means of doing seva (by employing bhitaryaas etc.)  nor seek wealth from other Vaishnavs/ jeevs in order to do the seva of his Sevya swaroopa.  it is very obvious that in both the ways one is not actually serving Shree Thakorji, For in one way he is using his wealth to seek others help to do seva, inspite of he/she being physically capable of attending to Shree Thakorji. In this way we, though remaining a das of Shree Thakorji, appoint another das to attend to him. In the other way round, eventually Seva itself beocmes a means of livelihood, as one is doing seva, but the sadhan for the seva comes from else were.

Either way the simple principle of the marg were in the means and the Goal are both one is lost. 

When we say SEVA, it is not just restricted to Swaroop seva, but  includes Naam seva too.

Superseeding the Nine ways of Bhakthi...  is the Premlakshana bhakthi, which is the essence of pushitmarg and Seva. The Premlakshana bhakthi is that of the Gopis of Vraj. And Shree Mahaprabhuji through Pushtimarg has highlighted this bhakthi and asked us to follow the path followed by Gopijan to seek Shree Thakorji. We through Brahmasamband, offer everything that seems to be ours to prabhu, and accept Shree Thakorji as Everthing of ours. The very same way in which the Gopijan surrendered all that is theirs to Prabhu and only had thoughts of Shree Krishna at all times and everymoment. We as Vaishnavs have to follow this very simple principle too.

Vaishnavs,

Times have changed, the very socio-cultural ambience in which we all live have changed. Not all of us are fortunate enough to have Shree Vallabh Vanshaj  Gobalaks biraajmaan in our towns/cities to offer immidiate guidance and more importantly to continuously instill enthusiasm and prod us into understanding the most finer nuances of our marg. As a result, our understanding of the marg too has beocme low. Low  to the extant that many have failed to differentiate between Seva nad Pooja. Many of us percieve Brahmasamband as a mere ritual. The sanctity of Naam mantra has totaly vanished, even cooks and maids are given naam mantra, for the personal conveneinces. (The naam mantra is provided to them with the kanti, without them even knowing what it is for and whats are its implications)

Under such  varying circumstances, we all are striving to live as Pushtimargiya Vaishnavs, holding on tightly to what little we know, grasping at the extra bit that we can gather through pravachans, vachnamruts and satsangs.

Let me present a real life story of a Vaishnav, whom I know very very closely. In fact, no jeev can know him more closely thanmyself....

The Vaishnav belongs to a family were in Shree Thakorjis swaroopa is biraajmaan for more than 4 generations. While he as child was inculcated into seva pranali, and had a very very brief purview of Pushtimarg. His personal understanding of the Marg ended with a very basic knowledge of seva and certain nuances of it. To be very frank, untill a few years back, the Vaishnav knew little difference between seva and pooja.

About Five years back, With the krupa of the Gobalak Biraajmaan in Chennai, PPG 108 Shree Ajay bawashree, during the Adhik maas, The Chappan bhog Manorath was organised. Such a devine manorath ensures a huge gathering of Vaishnavs, and our Vaishnav bhai to visited the venue for the various darshans. One thing to led to other, and  our Vaishnav bhai for the very first time witnessed an affluence of the various factes of Pushtimarg. With Shree Thakorjis krupa, the Vaishnav felt the urge to understand the marg better, and by chance happened to gather the books of 252 varthas. What started as a chanced reading of these varthas, slowly and surely brought in startling transformations into this jeev, and by the time he reached the last of the varthas, our bhai had shed everthing else behind, and to him now it was the sevya swaroopa of their home and nothing else.

Here is a startling example of how a Haveli, Shree Thakorjis divya krupa, the biraajmaan Gobalak, and the sang of various Vaishnavs have transformed a hitherto alien jeev and brought him under the foled of pushtimarg.

If not for the existance of the Haveli, the happening of the Chappan bhog manorath and the welcome attitude of the Bawashree, such a transformation would not have been possible.

Havelis are must for the proper channelisation and dissipation of information and knowledge of the marg and nothing can be a better source than the same.

However, While a Haveli can be the resource of inspiration and understanding, they cannot become the very source in itself.  Just like the sun, which gives us light  but it cannot become our  vision itself.  We all know what will happen if we were to make sun as our place of living, just because it is the source of light.  The source as advised by Shree Vallabh is the one and only Yashodatsangalalit Poornapurushottam Shree Krishna only. And to reach him, one has to do his SEVA, like a that of a Gopi, by personally tending to his needs or by doing his Chintan (naam seva).

This topic was posted more to clearly understand the realise the co-existance of both Haveli and Nijseva, and most importantly to understand the significant role of a vaishnav towards haveli and to realise the abolute necessity of performing Nijseva, for self realisation and anugraha of Shree Thakorji.

Today innumerable Vaishnavs have settled at various locations quite far off from our country, and it is amazing to see them contnue to perform seva of Shree Thakorji at their homes. However, with changing lifestyles, jobs and other requirements, not all in the family can participate in seva. Such locational, physical and material constraints neccasitate the existance of a Independant Havelis under the direct supervision of a Vallabh vanshaj Gobalak.  Their existance at such alein locations, ensure that the pushtibeej can spread its evolutionary aura among the jeevs and inculcate the margs pushti bhaav into us.

This however is no valid reason to keep opening Havelis at our will and pleasure, wims and fancies, foregoing  Gruhaseva of Shree Thakorji. 

The need of the hour is to for us as Vaishnavs, to individualy analyse, realise and act accordingly. To co- hesively progress, balancing our role both at home and at Haveli. It is not possible to re write history. It is not  possible to rewind 350 years back, what is possible is to understand what is happening today and take our next step in the right direction, a direction that will ensure the wholistic existance of pushtimarg as a single entity, inspite of its innumerable facets and adding sparkle to this devine diamond will be Nijseva/Gruhaseva done by the Vaishnavs at their homes, by themselves using their own wealth.

I offer my apologies to one and all, if anything irrelavant that may have been said by me,  or if I have hurt anyone in expressing my views.

Jai Shree Krishna

 



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Posted - 11 May 2006 :  09:11:23


Shri Chaturth Peeth

Shrimad Gokul, Baroda

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Goswami ShriVitthalraiji
P.P.Goswami (Shri Vallabhkul)


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Posted - 11 May 2006 :  09:22:09


Shri Chaturth Peeth

Shrimad Gokul, Baroda

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Posted - 11 May 2006 :  09:29:53


Shri Chaturth Peeth

Shrimad Gokul, Baroda

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