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vinod
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Posted - 24 October 2004 : 06:00:27
Dear Vasantbhai,
Jai Shree Krishna
The Satsang in itself is treated with due respect, and the teasing word is directed at you & not the satsang itself, if only you could broaden your sense of humor?
Vinod
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
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Posted - 24 October 2004 : 06:34:16
Vinodbhai,
Jai Shri Krishna,
Dont you think all the members at pushtikul be treated with due respect?
By teasing it is not the sense of humor you checking but insulting the satsang too.
I would recommend you use encouraging words instead using abusive language on the site.
People who do satsang do not use words like bit lie etc and other insulting words.
Hope you get the hint.
Vasant
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vinod
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Posted - 24 October 2004 : 07:00:37
Dear Vasantbhai
I append you the following.
Thesaurus: TEASING SEVERAL MEANINGS.
English (UK) wit, chichat, chat, banter, mockery,Joking,
No where it suggests that it is abusive language, or insults or disrespect.
Thank you for your hint and now we have established our boundries, I am sure we will not be crossing one anothers path.
Jai Shree Krishna
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
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Posted - 24 October 2004 : 08:13:26
Dear Vinodbhai,
Jai Shri Krishna,
If words have five meanings then how does one know which one you reffering? Well according to me it has a different meaning too.
So dont you think using such language should be avoided?
Vasant
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manish1
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Posted - 24 October 2004 : 08:24:26
Jai Shree Krishna,
The grass grow in the town of Prabhasa.
As the iron ball was ordered to be crushed by King Ugrasen and it was dropped in the river. Its particles ended up in the shores of river Saraswati near the town of Prabhasa.
The grass that grew on that shore with those iron particles in them was known as Erakaa grass.
Hope I am in the right direction?
Thanks
Manish
Jai Shree Krishna
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 24 October 2004 : 11:44:43
Jai Shree Krishna
Yes your correct manish bhai, it is the same grass that led to the end of Yaduvansha. I am happy that you directed your energies in a more effective manner of locating the answer.
Now for the prasang in detail....
Rishi's Shaap to Yadu Vansh>
Shukdev Jee said - "Bhagvaan Krishn killed many Asur with Balraam Jee and other Yadu Vanshee and instigated war between Kaurav and Paandav to kill many bad people. Kaurav made Paandav angry by not playing Chausar properly, various types of insults, pulling hair and clothes of Draupadee. So Krishn made the same Paandav as the cause of war and killed many kings on both sides. But then Bhagvaan thought that the unwinable Yadu Vansh is still alive on Prithvi. This Vansh has my support and is getting uncontrollable because of its immense wealth. Any other Devtaa also cannot defeat it, so I should create such a situation that they quarrel among themselves too. Then I will go to my Dhaam (Lok). Thus He destroyed His own Vansh under the cover of Braahman's Shaap.
Pareekshit asked - "Bhagvan! Yadu Vanshee were a great devotee of Braahman, then how could they do anything bad to them so that Braahman gave Shaap to them?" Shukdev Jee said - "Shree Krishn had all the good signs on His body. And throughout His life He indeed did good works which destroyed all sins. Now Shree Krishn was living in Vasudev's house in Dwaarakaa Puree, Maharaaj Ugrasen's capital, in the form of Kaal. Many great Muni such as, Vishwaamitra, Asit, Kanv, Durvaasaa, Bhrigu, Angiraa, Kashyap, Vaamdev, Atri, Vashishth, and Naarad etc started living in Pidaarak region near Dwaarakaa.
One day some young boys of Yadu Vansh happened to pass those Rishi while playing. They greeted them with fake politeness and asked, they took Jaambvatee's son Saamb with them clad in woman's clothes, - "Braahman! This beautiful woman is pregnant and wants to ask you something, but hesitates to ask you herself. You know everything. She has a strong desire to have a son. Please tell her whatever she will have - a girl or a boy?" When those boys intended to deceive them like this, then they got very angry and said - "Fools! She will produce a Moosal which will destroy your Kul.
Hearing this boys got frightened. They immediately opened Saamb's stomach and really found an iron Moosal inside his stomach. Now they repented for their action and thought. "We are very unfortunate. See, what we have done and what we would say to others." They got very sad. They went to the royal court and put the Moosal in front of all and told everything that had happened. When everybody heard about Braahman's Shaap, they also became frightened, because they knew that Braahman's Shaap cannot go wrong. Ugrasen crushed that Moosal to powder and threw that powder and the remaining piece into the sea. [He did not take any advice on this matter from Shree Krishn]
Pareekshit! It so happened that a fish swallowed that remaining piece of Moosal, and the powder came back to the seashore with sea waves. In a few days time that powder grew into a type of grass (Erak) and fisherman caught that particular fish which swallowed the Moosal piece, along with other fish. Now Jaraa named bird-killer used that iron piece in his arrow. Bhagvaan knew everything. He could make this Shaap wrong also, but He did not do so.
Destruction of Yadu Kul>
Pareekshit Jee asked - "When Uddhav Jee went to Badrik Aashram then what Bhagvaan did in Dwaarakaa? How did He end His Leelaa. When women used to see Him they continued to see Him for long time. In the same way when saints hear the story of krishn, they want to hear it more and more. At the time of Mahaa Bhaarat war when He was sitting onmy grandfather's chariot whosoever left their body at that time, they got Mukti. How did He end His such wonderful Roop?"
Shukdev Jee said - "When Krishn noticed that many bad omens are happening in the sky, on Prithvi, then He told this all Yadu Vanshee in Sudharmaa Sabhaa (court) - "Now there are many bad omens occurrring in Dwaarakaa, now we should not stay here even for a short time. Women, children and old people should move to Prabhaas Kshetra. You know that Saraswatee flows to west and fall in the sea. There we will take bath, keep fast and worship Devtaa. Then we will donate cows, land, gold, clothes, elephants, horses, chariots to Braahman. This method destroys all kinds of bad omens.
All Yadu Vanshee agree on this and they immediately crossed the sea by boats and started their journey to Prabhaas Kshetra on chariots. There they did Shaanti Paath and other good Karm, but Kaal was not favorable to them, so they started drinking Maireyak wine which spoiled their mind. They got drunk soon and starting fighting with each other with their weapons. Pradyumn was fighting with Saamb, Akroorv with Bhoj, Aniruddh with Saatyaki, Subhdra with Sangraamjit, Krishn's brother Gad with His son Gad, Sumitra with Surath. Everybody was fighting with each other. All from Daasharh, Vrishni, Andhak, Bhoj, Saatwat, Madhu, Arbud, Maathur, Shoorsen, Visarjan, Kukur, and Kunti Vansh also started fighting each other. When their arrows were finished and bows were broken, then they started digging out the Erakaa grass from seashore [this was the same grass which grew out of that Moosal powder]. As that grass came into their hands it converted into very hard and strong Mudgar [a bat like baseball bat]. They started fighting from that now. When Krishn tried to stop them, then they took Krishn and Balraam as their enemy and ran to beat them. Krishn and Balraam also started throwing that Erakaa grass.
When all were killed then Balraam Jee left His body for His Dhaam. Seeing Balraam's going to His Dhaam, Krishn sat down under a Peepal tree. He had His Chaturbhuj Roop. He kept His left foot on His right thigh. There was a bird-killer named Jaraa. He made the arrowhead of that Moosal's remains. He saw Bhagvaan's red foot from a far place, he thought it was a deer's mouth, so he aimed that arrow at it. When he came near to pick his victim, he found a Chaturbhuj Purush. But now he had already committed a crime. He asked for His forgiveness and requested Him to kill him. But Krishn gave him Swarg.
Krishn takes the body at His own will, so when He ordered thus, he circled Krishn three times, greeted Him, and rode on a Vimaan and went to Swarg. Daaruk came searching for Him and stood in front of Him. He saw Krishn sitting in Aasan position under the Peepal tree and very strong weapons were serving Him. He said - "Prabhu! I am very sad, I cannnot find my way around. It all seems dark to me." He was saying thus, that Bhagvaan's chariot flew away in the sky along with flag and horses. Divine weapons followed Him. Daaruk got astonished to see all this. Then Bhagvaan said - "Daaruk! Now you go to Dwaarakaa and tell them about Balraam's and My going to our Dhaam. Tell them that they should not live in Dwaarakaa after I have left it, because when I will not be here, the sea will sink it. All should go to Indraprasth with My parents under the guidance of Arjun. You follow My Bhaagvat Dharm and considering it My Maayaa be calm and patient." Hearing this Daaruk circled Him and greeted Him and went to Dwaarakaa.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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shreekant22
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Posted - 24 October 2004 : 14:22:17
Jai Shree Krishna
Now to an important line in this inicdent....
'Bhagvaan knew everything. He could make this Shaap wrong also, but He did not do so.'
From this we should understand that every thing happens as per his wish, for he is the param sathya, nothing in this world takes place that he is not aware of.
A similar foresight had been made by Shree Vallabh, the very swaroopa of Shree Thakorji with respect to Pushtimarag, and we all should accept his vani as the inevitable truth that cannot be changed. Shree Ugrasenji however much he treid by powdering the moosal, was not successful, on the contrary, the musal from one small element multiplied into many pointed spears, that only accellerated the destruction of Yadukul.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
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Posted - 24 October 2004 : 20:21:50
Jai Shri KRishna,
Good work Shreekantbhai,
Now lets see who can tell us what you said
There was a bird-killer named Jaraa
Who was this Jaraa in his previous life?
Edited by - Vasant Punjabi on October 24 2004 20:22:18
Vasant
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 24 October 2004 : 20:27:19
Jai Shree Krishna
Thankyou for your kind words Vasanbhai. Yes lets see who answers it, or would request you to post the answer.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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friendmonu
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 00:38:18
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Pls answer above question 'Who was this Jaraa in his previous life?'
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Regards,
Monica.
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