Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

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Jay Jay Shri Gokulesh,

   I have a questions from the explaination given by Bhai Gopal.

Yes, I agree as Unnati mention that :"Matri guptabhashane: Mantra is always gopniya it is not to be prakat"

 But When Bhai Gopla says that as it is "The meaning is Bhagwad Vakya, Bhagwad Mantra, etc are very Gambhir (sensitive) so to keep unadvertise to non-adhikari jeevas"

My Question is Vachan of Shri Krishna In Gitaji to Shri Arjun, Shruti/Smruti in Vedas they are all Shri BHAGWAD VAKYA...

Is all this needs to be kept GOPYA?

Regards

Rajendra Kadakia

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Rajendrabhai, regarding the VAchans of ShriKrishna in ShriGitaji is not the mantra, and Mantras r GOpya, and vachans of SHriKrishna r not gopya, but r the brahmavaad. Orders.

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

Jay Jay Shri Gokulesh,

    Thank you for all clerifications.

Yes, I do understand that Mantra Given by Shri Mahaprabhuji is Gopya. I just wanted to make aware of it is the emphasise on it is gopya not just because it is BHAGAD VAKYA.

        My second query, In general when Rushijen does YAGNA , Isn't they speak mantra and slokas loudly in open environment, inviting all vibhuti's and so on  ( For suddhi of nature)?

       We always tell that this is GUDH.. If it is gudh rahasya then How some one will learn or know about Shri Thakorji's leela.

         Is it not true that by saiying it is GUDH .. GUDH ... We made people MUDH...

       Why can't it be explained to the vaishnavjen rather then ignored by saying it is GUDH....

If it is GUDH tatva then why Shri Mahaprabhuji has given us the SAAR of  Shrimad Bhagvatji, Shri Gitaji, VEDAS , PURANA and so on.

      If Shri Mahaprabhuji also says that it is GUDH... then.....??????????? and yes, aap shri does mention in one of the sodhas granth.

Rajendra Kadakia

jay jay shri gokulesh.

gudh does not mean secret for ever.

when shri mahaprabhuji says something is gudh it means it requires a level of understanding to grasp it.

shrimad bhagwat, shri subodhiniji, nibandh have language and bhaav which is of a high level and to understand them we require a certain level of understanding. thats why the bhaavs of shri bhagwat, shri subodhiniji are gudh and everybody would not be able to understand them just by reading, even discussing it with fellow vaishnavs could result in misrepresentation if the fellow vaishnavs r not of such level to understand them. it could result in wrong understanding of a particular bhaav or leela.

hence such leelas and such mantras r regarded as gudh and not to be discussed in open. but as ones' own gurudev when feels that a particular jeev has that level of understanding, aapshri can always on request explain the gudh bhaavs as well , if aapshri thinks necessary.

and in case of yagyas, hom, havan etc., the mantras r recited  loudly as they r recited for the agni dev or some other devi- devtas for whom the yagya is done so they r not gupt. even during marraiges the mantras r recited in public bcoz they r not gudh.

and its right that only if something is bhagvad vaakya it does not become gupt. it depends on the importance and hetu(purpose) of the mantra as well.

this is as per my understanding.

jay jay shri gokulesh.

jsk

mahima of gnayan is aseem

it is very unstable by nature  it may be anything

shruti  saar stotra  brahm vakya puranokt  etc

there are only two major categories   simple as prakat and aaprakat

when patra and time is right knowledge is prakat  or menifest it self

and when time is not right knowledge stays covered  just like  dirt on a clean mirror

we may not decide what is gopya ghudh or public  knowledge

after reciting  sudarshan  kavach mantra for 14 years i was gifted the mool manta to invoke the protection

by just reciting 5 lines  

only to find out later that  sudarshan kavach is not authored by shree vallabh prabhu

so it si very hard to decide what is gudh gopya  secerative and what is public

and best of all follow agya of your guruji

surshyam  paads are all bhagvad vakya 25000 paads  so is 1.5 sloks in shiksha sloki

jsk

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

Jigarbhai, to ur confusion, i would lke to add few things, REgarding the Sudarshan Kavach, in our sampraday, few granths like kavach (sudarshan, yamuna) they r not pushtimargiya, u notified, lately, as per u got understandings. Moreover it is our bad luck, that we don't guide our peoples properly. IF we know the things, we don't share some things good with our sujatis. And so the new upcomming jeev remains in dilema and thinks that whichever pustak published having the pushtimarg written is a pushtimargi granth. It is not so. Surshyam pads were around 25000, and they r the bhagwad vakyas, but moreover they reflect us the leelas of shriprabhu, and so any of the kirtan pads, we had a tradition that we only sing in front of shrithakurji to make shriprabhu happy. Understand difference between mantras, kirtan pads, bhagwad vakyas.

As RAjendrabhai said that yagyas done by ShriRushijans, they used to do the Mantra Aahvaan and also not in mind but loudly. There is one restrictions in our Sanatan Dharma that Ved-Mantras can only be chanted by the Dwij-Dhari (who had taken janoi on his body) and this dwij adhikaari varnas are only 3 Brahman, Kshatriyas, and VAishyas. The Rishijans used to do the Yagyas for the benefit of the society and In ved there r 2 ways to understand ShriPrabhu is the Yagyaroopa "Yagyaroopo hari: poorvakande brahmatanoo pare" and ShriPrabhu "AAvtari ShriKrishna Harihi to sarvatha Raksham karishyati" is Saakar roopa. So if the Rishijans did yagyas and doing the mantrochaar loudly, means they r doing poojan of shriprabhu and we do poojan of shriprabhu in saakar roop, so the gudhatvam of mantras is individual and not publicly.

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

Jai Shree Krishna to Vallabhiya Vasihnavs

To all vaishnavs...May be my posting would be hurting to you....When you know that the Gadhmantra is Gopya and it can not be recited in public it means that...

Not even single word should be dicussed in public forum or in public

The entire Sankrit Version of Gadhya can be recited only we are in APARAS...  We can discuss, speak only translated version in public ..

Gadhyamantra is Gopya mantra in it should be recited only infront of Shri Thakorji , Shri Baithakji and Shri Vallabhkul balak and we must have to be on APARAS.

Shree Dwarikadhiski Jai
Shree Sri Lalji Pyare Ki Jai
Jatin Malkan

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Jatinji, sorry to say u but please go through the recent postings. what u said is been discussed previously. Here we are not discussing on gadhmantra (Sahastra.....). Just try to understand what topic is going on and then reply to it instead of hurting to any vaishnav. 

Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....

Unnati Kadakia

Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh,

Explanation of Gopalbhai is wonderful and very clear.

Evenif this topic has been disscussed before, Jatinbhai has expressed his opinion and its true. The Gadhyamantra in its entirety is gopya but any seperate word can be explained without APARAS.

These are my views.

Haripriya.

Jai shri Krishna

very nice flow of knowledge/education

i guess, one way to educate vaishnavs/people in general is by providing such information, especially to sellers who 'bundle' such material as part of pushtimargiya material, as they are being misled themselves.

Best Wishes
jagdish